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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Most retailers today keep employees hours low to prevent having to pay benefits. My daughter in law works for Old Navy and has the same issues.

    Just an FYI sidenote, the reason that benefits even came about in the U.S. was because of government intervention into business during WWII. Government put a freeze on businesses being able to offer workers increased wages. In order to get better workers to work for their companies, companies started adding benefits such as health insurance to the total employee compensation package. Just pointing out that it was government intervention that created another future problem area.
    Government fixing unforeseen problems created by acts of government throughout the ages. This is true in most cases weather its interventionism, the drug war, or involvement in business through minimum wage laws or regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Most retailers today keep employees hours low to prevent having to pay benefits. My daughter in law works for Old Navy and has the same issues.

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    That is exactly right. The real point is how much does walmart or any company pay for unskilled labor. Walmart just has the target on their head because they are the biggest. Most companies pay similar to walmart for that type of work. If walmart is forced to change than all americans will be forced to pay more in order to subsidize unskilled workers. If people want a better job then they need to educate themselves and get one. I read some where that whether you shop or not at walmart the average american family save almost three thousand dollars a year, just because walmart keeps prices lower at all stores. Other stores have to keep their prices low in order to compete with walmart.

    The bottom line reality is if your smart you dont need a union. If a person has skills there are many companies that would gladly pay for them. If we choose to subsidize unskilled workers then we might as welll just get it over with and go communist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    Government fixing unforeseen problems created by acts of government throughout the ages. This is true in most cases weather its interventionism, the drug war, or involvement in business through minimum wage laws or regulations.
    Good argument for reducing the involvement of government.

    Problem is... it appears most voters are not smart enough to see either what you posted or what I posted (mentally see it).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Good argument for reducing the involvement of government.

    Problem is... it appears most voters are not smart enough to see either what you posted or what I posted (mentally see it).
    Im not to sure it's that. Most people want smaller government, but they want to reduce the other persons form of government but not their own. They want less interference in social matters but want government to regulate business. They want less interference in business but want the drug war and regulations about marriage. Most of the problems with government can be traced to hypocrisy.

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    Thanks Exreo for the list on page one. If Americans would take the time to educate themselves there are many manufacturers of kids toys still available here. Search "educational toys made in the USA, Canada." We should be reminded we are all in this together.
    I'll be joining my Son on Friday on the Walmart picket line not only to support the workers but to remind shoppers that Walmart has become not only a Chinese front organization but also embraces the Chinese business model. Search and destroy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Most retailers today keep employees hours low to prevent having to pay benefits. My daughter in law works for Old Navy and has the same issues.

    Just an FYI sidenote, the reason that benefits even came about in the U.S. was because of government intervention into business during WWII. Government put a freeze on businesses being able to offer workers increased wages. In order to get better workers to work for their companies, companies started adding benefits such as health insurance to the total employee compensation package. Just pointing out that it was government intervention that created another future problem area.
    I don't see benefits as a problem at all if companies are in competition for skills. Bennies are bucks. I see corporates running a business that requires hiring people as harvesting a raw material, in this case labor. At one time in the US a company could take a resource and leave the mess behind. Today, to some extent companies also have the responsibility of refurbishing the mess. Using American labor should bear the responsibility of caring for the people that are creating the corporates wealth.
    All my working life I've heard corporate management tell the tale that they create this countries wealth. Question this. How would that wealth be created w/o our labor? To treat labor as just a hireling with the disrespect that comes with the name is unacceptable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    I don't see benefits as a problem at all if companies are in competition for skills. Bennies are bucks. I see corporates running a business that requires hiring people as harvesting a raw material, in this case labor. At one time in the US a company could take a resource and leave the mess behind. Today, to some extent companies also have the responsibility of refurbishing the mess. Using American labor should bear the responsibility of caring for the people that are creating the corporates wealth.
    All my working life I've heard corporate management tell the tale that they create this countries wealth. Question this. How would that wealth be created w/o our labor? To treat labor as just a hireling with the disrespect that comes with the name is unacceptable.
    Unfortunately, but expected, you completely missed the point being made.
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    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57...g-over-phones/

    Hurry hurry hurry step right up and get a super bargain for the phone that will change your life forever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the mojo View Post
    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-57...g-over-phones/

    Hurry hurry hurry step right up and get a super bargain for the phone that will change your life forever.
    For the life of me, I just don't get that kind of scene. It's almost like the stores deliberately try to instigate such behaviour. I simply could not belittle myself to behave like that over merchandise, no matter how good the deal.

    On the bright side, I stopped at a Walmart on my way home from work to pick up a few things I had seen advertized, and to see if any union slugs were still hanging around. Everything I wanted was still there and there was no more than the usual amount of shoppers at that time. I then even went across the parking lot to the Homo Depot and got a nice Milwaukee cordless drill for about half price. The only union members there were shopping respectfully just like everyone else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Unfortunately, but expected, you completely missed the point being made.

    What point and by who?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    For the life of me, I just don't get that kind of scene. It's almost like the stores deliberately try to instigate such behaviour. I simply could not belittle myself to behave like that over merchandise, no matter how good the deal.

    On the bright side, I stopped at a Walmart on my way home from work to pick up a few things I had seen advertized, and to see if any union slugs were still hanging around. Everything I wanted was still there and there was no more than the usual amount of shoppers at that time. I then even went across the parking lot to the Homo Depot and got a nice Milwaukee cordless drill for about half price. The only union members there were shopping respectfully just like everyone else.
    I am usually not a big fan of shopping on days like this but I too made it a point to hit Walmart. I'm sure they are far from perfect but I wanted to show my support for capitalism and purchased a few things from them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    What point and by who?
    I certainly don't want to hurt anyone's feelings or imply that anyone is not very comprehending of what they read....but....I did quote who missed what point in the post that you quoted.....I'm just saying....

    And for the record, labor is just being hired. When you take a job, it's not like the Army....it's a job, not an adventure. When I go to work for someone, I tell them what I want out of the job and they tell me what they want out of me. If we both agree on what we both want, I do my job and they give me a paycheck and the benefits agreed on. Why are some workers not capable of working without having some Socialist organization having to protect them like our mother's felt they had to do when we were children?
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    For the life of me, I just don't get that kind of scene. It's almost like the stores deliberately try to instigate such behaviour. I simply could not belittle myself to behave like that over merchandise, no matter how good the deal.

    On the bright side, I stopped at a Walmart on my way home from work to pick up a few things I had seen advertized, and to see if any union slugs were still hanging around. Everything I wanted was still there and there was no more than the usual amount of shoppers at that time. I then even went across the parking lot to the Homo Depot and got a nice Milwaukee cordless drill for about half price. The only union members there were shopping respectfully just like everyone else.
    Yeah saw it coming,if there is a bargain involved just get out of the way. Now if Walmart offered a box of twinkies with every purchase,a riot would come to mind.

    So you got a Milwaukee,12V,then you need a new pouch from
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