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    Nearly unlimited resources....good farmland......the climate...... the size of even just our east coast.....and slave labor built up the early wealth of this nation..... Im a christian but I doubt the faith of our ancestors had anything to do with our success....

    As businessmen today those early investors and opportunists were driven by profit.....and Id say they used very little of what one learns in church or from the bible in building up the riches of a young america....or an older america.....or of america today.

    Those folks worshipped the almighty dollar first and foremost......just like is done today.
    One things for _______ sure, ________ rock didnt land on ______ sorry ___. That ___ __ _ _____ wasnt nowhere near _______ a _______ years ago. __ aint even a ______, __ is half _______ and half ________.

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    I don't see why religious organizations are tax exempt for assets. I can understand a tax exemption for costs that go directly to helping those in need, but that's it. All of the real property owned by religious organizations should be taxed just as everyone else pays taxes on those things. Then again, there should not be as many taxes either.
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    Churches are non profit organizations and should not have to pay tax on their churches, classrooms and fellowship halls. Thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Churches are non profit organizations and should not have to pay tax on their churches, classrooms and fellowship halls. Thank you very much
    We know what they "are", Glenn. We just disagree that they should be exempt from paying taxes on real assets. Do you like that Islamic owned mosques and massive community centers are also tax exempt?
    Government is a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    We know what they "are", Glenn. We just disagree that they should be exempt from paying taxes on real assets. Do you like that Islamic owned mosques and massive community centers are also tax exempt?
    Hey you are the one who says this is not a "Christian" nation robo. I don't think we should allow the enemy of Christianity to build any Mosques here much less allow Muslims to immigrate here. Just wanted to point out to everyone here what you are actually talking about.

    Now if you are talking about vast tracks of land, commercial buildings then we can have a discussion but not church buildings, schools or fellowship halls which are used exclusivity for religious purposes. This is guaranteed by freedom of religion otherwise the government can just tax a church out of assistance.

    But since you never go to church I guess this is fine with you. The whole world doesn't revolve around you robo. Others have rights too.

    You know legitiment nonprofit organizations are exempt from taxes just as churches are but you want just the "churches" to lose their tax exempt status. You are sounding like one of those anti Christian atheists now robo. Are you one? Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
    Barry Goldwater

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Hey you are the one who says this is not a "Christian" nation robo. I don't think we should allow the enemy of Christianity to build any Mosques here much less allow Muslims to immigrate here. Just wanted to point out to everyone here what you are actually talking about.
    I thought you were for individual freedom?

    Guess you only want freedoms for those who you deem are worthy to possess it?

    Thanks for clarifying your position.

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    Not for the enemies of mankind and Western Civilization. Are we clear now? Thank you, thank you very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    O'Bummer is worst than any of the things you are denying he is. O'Bummer is a Socialist leaning fascist who sympathizes with radical Muslims and is willing to use Communist methods to turn the U.S. into some sort of banana republic styled run country.
    your not being very accurate with your name calling, it's O-blame-o
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Hey you are the one who says this is not a "Christian" nation robo. I don't think we should allow the enemy of Christianity to build any Mosques here much less allow Muslims to immigrate here. Just wanted to point out to everyone here what you are actually talking about.

    Now if you are talking about vast tracks of land, commercial buildings then we can have a discussion but not church buildings, schools or fellowship halls which are used exclusivity for religious purposes. This is guaranteed by freedom of religion otherwise the government can just tax a church out of assistance.

    But since you never go to church I guess this is fine with you. The whole world doesn't revolve around you robo. Others have rights too.

    You know legitiment nonprofit organizations are exempt from taxes just as churches are but you want just the "churches" to lose their tax exempt status. You are sounding like one of those anti Christian atheists now robo. Are you one? Thank you, thank you very much
    Glenn, I have belonged to and been active in several churches over the years. I have taught adult bible study classes for years at a Lutheran church as well as been on the board of directors and a deacon for churches. So don't even try to make it sound like I am not intimently familiar with the structure of organized religions. I know from working within them how they work, and they are not much different than any other business.

    Once a religious organization rents out it's property, as so many do rent out areas for private functions, that property should be taxed. The true church, the members of a Christian organization, can meet anywhere. The term "church" being used for property defies scripture's definition of church. What you are calling a church is nothing more than real estate that should be subject to taxation.

    As far as your continued claims that the U.S. is a Christian nation, are you then saying that only organizations claiming to be Christian should be tax exempt? What about Reverend Wright's organization, which claims to be Christian?

    Since Christianity grew out of and owes all it's theological history to Judaism, should Jewish organizations also be covered by your version of what religious organizations should get special tax exempt treatment?

    Remember what Jesus Christ Himself teaches us; “So give back to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.” According to Jesus Christ, religious organizations should not be tax exempt.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy1010 View Post
    your not being very accurate with your name calling, it's O-blame-o
    My apologies to all who I may have offended with my choice of name calling. I will, of course, accept O-blame-o as the corrected name for O'Bummer whenever you are reading my posts....
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Not for the enemies of mankind and Western Civilization. Are we clear now? Thank you, thank you very much
    Your "position" on people who are.....well lets just say......... not like you.............has been clear to most of us on this forum for quite some time.

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    Yea i have read quite a bit of his postings and it does not seem to be in line with good christian values that it seems he believes in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54885488 View Post
    Yea i have read quite a bit of his postings and it does not seem to be in line with good christian values that it seems he believes in.
    Glenn's a good guy. He's just a little bit stuck in the past and a little bit too.....Germanized. This is coming from someone whose two major male influences in his life were of German ancestry, my step dad and my step granddad, one a Markley and the other a Weitzel, two old German family names.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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