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11-16-2012, 07:43 PM #183So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men — Voltaire
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11-16-2012, 08:56 PM #184
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11-16-2012, 09:57 PM #186
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If you know the reason we are so beholden to them I think we could all benefit from this information. Don’t worry about “starting another battle”. Just throw it out there and don’t respond.
I’ve heard the Christian explanation and the intelligence explanation. I don’t buy either one. Is yours a different one?
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11-17-2012, 06:03 AM #187
We are beholden to Israel for several reasons. Money , weapons and intelligence are 3 that come to mind
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11-17-2012, 08:25 AM #188
Don't forget their contribution to the Music Software Industry. http://www.waves.com/Content.aspx?id=90
If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what will never be. (Thomas Jefferson 1816)
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11-17-2012, 10:18 AM #189
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Maybe I didn’t word it correctly.
I realize we give them billions every year in aid. We sell or give them our best military hardware. We let them break hundreds of U.N. Resolutions without question. We let them abuse the Palestinians without even reporting it in our news. There is evidence they had pre 911 knowledge but we won’t tell the American people about it. They must have known Sadam did not have WMD’s but did not tell us. Next, we will be duped into taking care of their current enemy, Iran.
My question is why the unquestionable support? Is it solely because of their strong foothold in Washington and big business or is it something else? Every country in the world would like to have our unquestionable support. Why are they the only one to get it?
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11-17-2012, 10:45 AM #190
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OK Brian, how about lets take this approach:
Say the USA must have influence in the ME (middle East)... having influence is not a question, rather who we connect with...
Who would you tie up with and why?GA-HVAC-Tech
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11-17-2012, 11:35 AM #191
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11-17-2012, 12:10 PM #192
We aligned with them due to the outcome of WW2. Google it if you want the complete history. But lots of it had to do with Britain losing it's Colonies over in the ME
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11-17-2012, 01:02 PM #193
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11-17-2012, 02:17 PM #194
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Political influence is equal to power (including political, economic, military, etc).
Politics is like a drain in the sink or tub... there is ALWAYS water spiraling down. The question is who pours the new water in. Whomever adds more water gets to control what goes on... anyone that chooses to not add water ends up being used by the situations.
Now lets translate that into politics: If the USA has influence... then interests of the USA get preferred treatment... If the USA does not have influence... then interests of other countries get preferred treatment at the expense of the USA. There is NO middle ground... each country that wants power in the region has to pour in influence or be relegated to the sidelines... and it is an endless mess.
Why bother? Ever try to get in to bid on a BIG job? One has to have connections... right. Influence is not much different.
The world is no longer a place where folks can just sit on the sidelines, or become isolated. The USA is really the only super-power left... we would be FOOLS to let that go just because we are too lazy to keep up our influence.
Now back to the question: So far, all I have read is negative answers. Please give me a positive answer as to who one should align with and why. How about Egypt? How about Iran? How about the Saudi's? Oh, lets make it Ligya... or maybe Syria... Go ahead, pick one and tell me why aligning with that country would be the BEST thing the USA could do to keep US interests in the best position in the area.GA-HVAC-Tech
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11-17-2012, 04:31 PM #195
No, nothing has happened since then. Should something have happened. The lines drawn after the war have not changed



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