Continuing Issue loses Fron won't heat/cool

[kirk1701™]

Hey everyone, kind of a continuing issue for years and you all hit the nail on the head way back when so didn't want to continue the thread from here:

http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread.php?615852-HELP!-AC-just-keeps-running&highlight=Bowling+Green

Anyhow, as you all recomended, changed repair guys and he found the freon leak; one leak.

Its still losing the charge, or not charged properly and when the charge is not correct it don't heat/cool as well. The repair guy was back mid-week and he put another charge on the unit and said must be more then one leak so he's coming back sometime this weekend to find the leak.

More then one, is more then one leak possible?

Second, it's a duel system and uses electric to heat most of the time unless the temp outside is below a set temp on the unit outside which is around 38 degree's then it kicks over and uses gas. When its using electric it don't heat as well, temps coming out of the vents are about 81 degree's on electric and 105 with gas??? Is this the way it should work or should it not be warmer with electric?

Thanks guys

[socotech]

First off yes, it is very likely you have multiple leaks. Second, if you have electric/gas heat your refrigerant leak will not effect heat mode. As for the 81 degree supply temp during electric mode, that sounds a little low. You may not have all heat strips working. Have you had a service man test them? 105 degree supply in gas mode sounds about right. Good luck.

[kirk1701™]

First off yes, it is very likely you have multiple leaks. Second, if you have electric/gas heat your refrigerant leak will not effect heat mode. As for the 81 degree supply temp during electric mode, that sounds a little low. You may not have all heat strips working. Have you had a service man test them? 105 degree supply in gas mode sounds about right. Good luck.

Yep, it effects heat mode
Not contradicting you don't get me wrong, I too thought Freon was for cooling, but when he gets the charge on the unit it heats fine?

Give it a week later and the heat slowly starts to get cooler till it just won't heat period.

[socotech]

Then you have a heat pump. Not just electric/ gas heat. Yes freon level matters.

[kirk1701™]

Then you have a heat pump. Not just electric/ gas heat. Yes freon level matters.

Correct

[socotech]

If it leaks down in a week, then the leak should be easy to locate.

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[kirk1701™]

If it leaks down in a week, then the leak should be easy to locate.

The first leak was, at least for the new service man but the last service guy we'll see the other thread. Man he took us over the coals.

[thermojohn]

If it leaks down in a week, then the leak should be easy to locate.

My typical response to these types of long distance diagnosis like phone or internet... The leak is either in one, or a combination of three locations in your system: The indoor coil, the outdoor heat pump unit, or the inter-connecting copper refrigeration lines.

A good technician will be able to determine where the leak(s) is/are with proper diagnostics. The company who he represents also plays a role the quality and accuracy of your repair.

[kirk1701™]

My typical response to these types of long distance diagnosis like phone or internet... The leak is either in one, or a combination of three locations in your system: The indoor coil, the outdoor heat pump unit, or the inter-connecting copper refrigeration lines.

A good technician will be able to determine where the leak(s) is/are with proper diagnostics. The company who he represents also plays a role the quality and accuracy of your repair.

Ok here's a question.
We've done paid $$$ for fixing the first leak which was outside, inside the heat pump (Think thats what its called right? The box with the fan and the compressor?) and we thought that solved the problem.

So, again to fix this he's going to have to find where they are, drain the Freon like last time and replace. Should we be charged again?

[jpsmith1cm]

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Kirk1701

Pricing isn't permitted here

[socotech]

Cannot discuss prices on here. If leak is inside, refrigerant should be able to pump down into outside unit. In other words, should not have to recover again.