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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    For most (for the sticklers, let me repeat, "MOST") furnaces, and all of the older furnaces, the presence of the EGC, properly attached to the cabinet bonding screw, is for safety only. In case of a short circuit to the cabinet, the low impedance path helps to quickly open the overcurrent device to de-energize the feed to the unit.

    On newer furnaces, the board has control logic that ensures the EGC is connected by comparing the supply voltage to both the neutral and the EGC. If the EGC is not connected, the furnace may not decide to do much of anything.

    As I suggested, that EGC is most likely NOT going to be the fix for this issue.
    smh. ok i understand , im going to hook up the grounds now ,let you guyz know whats going on when i get back.and by the way i love the hate ,keep it up ,it actually motivates me,hard to believe that a ground connection could be the cause of this simple problem but i hope

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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngwiseman View Post
    smh. ok i understand , im going to hook up the grounds now ,let you guyz know whats going on when i get back.and by the way i love the hate ,keep it up ,it actually motivates me,hard to believe that a ground connection could be the cause of this simple problem but i hope

    Hard to believe. Not enough information, and this is not the venue for use to offer more direction.

    I personally believe that is it stupid, yes, that's the word, for young people to equate a difference of opinion or a reproach to another's ignorant behavior as "hate."

    Kids, you don't know the meaning of hate. Trust me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Youngwiseman View Post
    smh. ok i understand , im going to hook up the grounds now ,let you guyz know whats going on when i get back.and by the way i love the hate ,keep it up ,it actually motivates me,hard to believe that a ground connection could be the cause of this simple problem but i hope
    This is why we install things as the instructions require, if you have installation issues like not grounded properly and other things you can only speculate until its corrected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bsmith816 View Post
    I'm so sorry to tell u this but you are a complete IDIOT YOUNGWISEMAN. Call a real professional to go get that unit fixed. By everything u have said you have no idea what u are doing... That is a disgrace to ALL SERVICE TECHS!!!! You need to get them customers some heat... That is the most basic problem you have and you can't even check flame rectification but you call yourself a service tech... People like you in this field piss me off so much.. I FEEL SOOOOOOO SORRY FOR YOUR CUSTOMERS!!!!!!!!
    Bsmith816,

    Please read and post your apology TIA !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post

    Heard about this one on another site. It's still being investigated
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    Why does everyone have to be so negative towards people, if the guy don't know how to test a flame sensor wouldn't it be a little easier and nicer to teach him how rather than insult him, at least he cares enough to want to test it and not be a parts changer, we are all in the same field and should treat each other with a little respect

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkempf View Post
    Why does everyone have to be so negative towards people, if the guy don't know how to test a flame sensor wouldn't it be a little easier and nicer to teach him how rather than insult him, at least he cares enough to want to test it and not be a parts changer, we are all in the same field and should treat each other with a little respect
    He was told how to check the sensor. He does not have the proper meter to check uA, and doesn't own a manamter. IMO hasn't given us much reason to believe he is a tech. He's been working on this issue for almost 2 weeks. The only post that insulted him was already flagged by the mods.
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    Ok 2sac I didn't realize he had been working on it for two weeks, I guess that might deserve an insult

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    Quote Originally Posted by hkempf View Post
    Ok 2sac I didn't realize he had been working on it for two weeks, I guess that might deserve an insult
    It's not JUST the two week part.

    It's a matter of there is apparently no boss to ask. There is no senior coworker to ask. And chances are, this is not a real "customer."

    This may "look like a duck," but to me, it sounds more like the animal that Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    It's not JUST the two week part.

    It's a matter of there is apparently no boss to ask. There is no senior coworker to ask. And chances are, this is not a real "customer."

    This may "look like a duck," but to me, it sounds more like the animal that Jesus rode into Jerusalem.
    Honestly In not familiar with the good book in that regard but I think I know the animal you are referring to lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joehvac25 View Post
    Honestly In not familiar with the good book in that regard but I think I know the animal you are referring to lol.
    I figured you could decipher it.

    Samson (yes, THAT Samson) used a jawbone from the same animal in Judges 15:16, and slew 1,000 Philistines with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    I figured you could decipher it.

    Samson (yes, THAT Samson) used a jawbone from the same animal in Judges 15:16, and slew 1,000 Philistines with it.
    Must have been before he got his ears lowered...

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    hello im back people, connecting all the ground didnt work so i guess that only leave me to understand that the ifc is bad flame sensor is good all switches are closed it has to be the board ,dammit i feel so crazy , i never knew this problem could be a ifc wow , so what if i did change the board and it still does the same thing what would i do then lol

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