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    measuring air duct static pressure with a digital manometer

    Hey Dudes,
    I can't afford to buy a good tester to measure air flow or static pressure however, I have an off brand digital manometer I bought a few years back to adjust gas valves. it measures inches of water column.

    My question I pose is this: is it possible to modify this digtial manometer with a homemade pitot tube of sorts to use to measure static pressures in ductwork.

    I'm thinking water column is water column. I was going to get an aluminum tube of some pre-designated i.d. and plug the vinyl hose to it and stick it into the ductwork.

    Do you think it will work within reason until I can buy a proper, fancier model???
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    Before I bought a proper set of static tips with my Testo 510, I just used some rubber hose and a bit of copper tubing to take a reading on my magnehelic. It did the job.

    That said, proper static tips aren't that expensive and, had I known how much easier they were to use, I wouldn't have waited nearly as long to buy them.


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    So what you're saying is if I buy this tip and connect it to my cheapo digi manometer, I'll be on my way to measuring static pressures??
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    Actually, I'm saying that if you buy this tip you will be measuring static pressures.

    Well, you're gonna have to splurge and buy a little tubing, too...

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    Using a single head digital manometer (or a magnehelic) with a pitot tube will give you the basics of measurement... there is a little math to do also:

    First: If you are comparing to the furnace or AH blower charts; measure ONLY through the furnace or AH, NOTHING more. Otherwise, you cannot compare to the fan charts, as they are based on through the furnace or AH only. Note AH's generally are rated with the coil, since it is part of the AH. (Someone correct me if I am wrong on this).
    OTOH; TOTAL ESP (external static pressure) is from before the air filter to after the coil... this is what the fan actually has to fight against.

    Having said both, here is an example:
    Say you read -.025 before the air filter, and you read +.035 after the coil... you have .06 EXP (forget the minus and plus, just add them).

    Now if you have a Testo 510 (what I use) with two pitot tube probes... remember to check you have the tubes on the proper side of the meter. Otherwise you will get in-accurate readings.

    Having the ability to measure ESP is a HUGE help when you have a system that does not respond the way it should (especially in AC mode).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    there is a little math to do also:

    TOTAL ESP (external static pressure) is from before the air filter to after the coil... this is what the fan actually has to fight against.
    MATH?!?!?!? EEFFFFF that!

    Isn't TESP measured after the filter and before the coil?
    That way it includes all resistance in the return side?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phase Loss View Post
    MATH?!?!?!? EEFFFFF that!

    Isn't TESP measured after the filter and before the coil?
    That way it includes all resistance in the return side?
    Well... it seems to depend which way one learned TESP... I have heard it both ways.

    As noted: If one is referencing the fan charts for the furnace or AH, then measure across the furnace or AH...

    However if I was diagnosing a system I suspected of having too much SP, I would do it before AF to after coil (furnace/coil install). This way I would have what the blower was fighting against, including the ductwork.

    I think we had this discussion somewhere before, I have forgotten the name of the thread though...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Well... it seems to depend which way one learned TESP... I have heard it both ways.

    As noted: If one is referencing the fan charts for the furnace or AH, then measure across the furnace or AH...

    However if I was diagnosing a system I suspected of having too much SP, I would do it before AF to after coil (furnace/coil install). This way I would have what the blower was fighting against, including the ductwork.

    I think we had this discussion somewhere before, I have forgotten the name of the thread though...
    I believe that math AND reading are required.

    Some charts assume certain filters installed and others do not, so ya gotta read the wee tiny print.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    I believe that math AND reading are required.

    Some charts assume certain filters installed and others do not, so ya gotta read the wee tiny print.
    C'on now JP... we are men... we do not follow directions until there is no alternative... LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Well... it seems to depend which way one learned TESP... I have heard it both ways.
    I think we had this discussion somewhere before, I have forgotten the name of the thread though...
    I sent you an email of a presentation I put together awhile back on TESP testing.

    I would post it here, but I don't post technical info or manuals, in this "OPEN" forum.

    If anyone else wants it, send me an email (address is in my profile).

    Footnote:

    Using a pitot tube in a residential application not only requires you to do math in public, but will require alot of straight duct, before and after the pitot tube, to get an accurate reading.

    Even using the smaller static probes can give inaccurate readings because of turbulent airflow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rundawg View Post
    I sent you an email of a presentation I put together awhile back on TESP testing.

    I would post it here, but I don't post technical info or manuals, in this "OPEN" forum.

    If anyone else wants it, send me an email (address is in my profile).

    Footnote:

    Using a pitot tube in a residential application not only requires you to do math in public, but will require alot of straight duct, before and after the pitot tube, to get an accurate reading.

    Even using the smaller static probes can give inaccurate readings because of turbulent airflow.
    Hey Rundawg, would you be able to send me this info also? Thanks!
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    Hi guys I remember that thread.....ga calls before filter ..well at the blower door on a furnace.

    The way the air flows this would be called after the filter..

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    hey rundawg..

    It's this one!

    LOL

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