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  1. #27
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    I came here to see some Tittles.
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

    -Thomas Jefferson

  2. #28
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    a friend of mine back east gave me the idea!
    I was feeling pretty down and having a hard time staying grounded!
    I feel much better and am sleeping much better now!
    I just need to keep doing what I do and do it well!

    I have many friends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    just not at work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by flange View Post
    supertek, nice new verbage there, go sell some work would ya?
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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    seniorsooperdooperteck

    is that a title?
    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    I came here to see some Tittles.
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by supertek65 View Post
    seniorsooperdooperteck

    is that a title?
    nevermind ::facepalm::

    I thought if anyone would catch that, you would lol
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

    -Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by raven22 View Post
    your wright but what always got me is we fix things and keep nyc running what do fitters do run pipe how is this deserve 15 more an hour when we have to be alot smarter to get paid less anybody can run pipe we should be the ones making the most money
    It was originated as a fitters union, HVAC/R was an add on. Wage parity has always been an issue in our local as well. We finally have gotten within a quarter and considering the economic market place we are satisfied. HVAC/R guys have always been the red headed step child, but when times are tough we get props for bringing in the dough when construction is slow.
    I STARTED WITH NOTHING, AND I STILL HAVE MOST OF IT!

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    I get it

    Tittles!!!!!!

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    My football coach was YA Tittle
    Former nyg hall of fame qb.

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    construction wages are supposed to be to give a living wage for typically 1200-1400 hours, depending on construction cycles. service wages are slightly lower, but usually result in year round work, PLUS a take home vehicle. total package difference? truck is generally worth about $-$$ per hour, depending on several factors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flange View Post
    construction wages are supposed to be to give a living wage for typically 1200-1400 hours, depending on construction cycles. service wages are slightly lower, but usually result in year round work, PLUS a take home vehicle. total package difference? truck is generally worth about $-$$ per hour, depending on several factors.
    Is your Service Jm/HVACR Tech wages $15/Hr. less than the Construction Jm/Pipefitters?! Is you HVACR Techs pension 3 times less than the Pipefitters?! These are huge differences!!

  10. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by allstar08 View Post
    It was originated as a fitters union, HVAC/R was an add on. Wage parity has always been an issue in our local as well. We finally have gotten within a quarter and considering the economic market place we are satisfied. HVAC/R guys have always been the red headed step child, but when times are tough we get props for bringing in the dough when construction is slow.
    In my home Local; Construction Plumbers, Construction Pipefitters, Construction Pipe Welders, Service Plumbers and Service HVACR Techs are all level playing field. I believe that works best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined View Post
    In my home Local; Construction Plumbers, Construction Pipefitters, Construction Pipe Welders, Service Plumbers and Service HVACR Techs are all level playing field. I believe that works best.
    Same in my local, but the pipefitters sometimes have to take a pay cut of up to $5 an hour on projects to compete with non-union construction (right to work for less state). They make out better on an individual basis when they have full time work in a fab shop. I don't know any good HVAC mechanics in my local who can't negotiate several dollars above scale on their own, anyway.

    But, yeah, that's not right. I worked in pipefitting until I was twenty, and fitting pipe isn't rocket science. Being a service mechanic requires a hell of a lot more education and reasoning skills than figuring out take-offs on a pipe, and it kinda pisses me off knowing that I've got brothers in the trade making that much less than pipefitters. I don't understand this rationale of "working fewer hours a year, so we need to be paid more". Hey, you know what? I'd much rather do my trade, too, and work 800 fewer hours a year for $15 an hour more.

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    And as it relates to the thread, my card/book reads "DVJ MES Journeyman". I "bought" my book several years ago after testing out at the journeyman level.

    As explained to me...
    MES -- mechanical equipment service
    DVJ -- I've been told this means "divisional journeyman", but that makes "DVJ MES Journeyman" rather redundant. Also, the guys down at my hall aren't exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.

    On my dues receipt, though, it says "Trade: Divisional" and "Job Class: Mech Equip Service Jrnymn".

    So maybe that's exactly what it is. The first three-letter field on your card is whatever the UA has beside your "trade", and the second three-letter field is your "job class" (with the redundant "journeyman" thrown in afterword).

    There's also the consideration that it's probably whatever the hell the lady that collects your dues typed in for the field under your name on your book, that it's highly likely that she doesn't know what the hell it means either because it's just what she was told to put there because "that's the way it's been done in the past", an even better likelihood that NO ONE knows what it means, and that anyone at the hall that tells you that they know what it means is absolutely, totally full of crap, like they are about 99.99% of the things they talk about.


    OH MY GOD, I FINALLY UNDERSTAND IT ALL. I'M READY TO WORK FOR THE HALL FULL-TIME.

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    So there's Construction, Service & Divisional? Would MES be classed as Service? Bldg. Trades, Metal Trades, etc., now I'm lost! Isn't MESJm the same as an HVACR Tech Jm?!

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