Replyhey, the guy asked a simple question and i gave him a simple answer.
and absorber purges *are* just vacuum pumps. unless it is too crude to describe a welch vacuum pump as a vacuum pump. like calling a rose merely a flower.
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Hear, hear.....Originally Posted by CCSPIERCE
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hey, the guy asked a simple question and i gave him a simple answer.
and absorber purges *are* just vacuum pumps. unless it is too crude to describe a welch vacuum pump as a vacuum pump. like calling a rose merely a flower.
Last edited by automig; 10-22-2012 at 07:48 PM. Reason: not trying to rile klove
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The point is to give a correct answer so as to not confuse or mislead someone that wouldn't be asking the question to start with if they knew the answer. Sometimes a "simple" answer works best, but oversimplified answers with a smattering of specifics does nothing more than create confusion for someone that doesn't know how something works. To say that all purges use a "small vacuum pump" to rid the purge drum of non-condensibles is very misleading.
On the subject of absorption purges, I have to assume from your explanation of them that you have no experience with automatic purges for absorbers since they are vastly more complex than just having a vacuum pump to pull air from the absorber.
As for "not trying to rile klove", I spent a large portion of my adult life in countries where people with guns didn't want me to be - it'll take far more than a discussion about the rights and wrongs of giving a good answer to a question to irritate me.
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sounds like a challenge!
rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile!
the power of cut 'n paste....bwa-haa-haa-haaa!
"Right" is not the same as "Wise".
Don't step on my favorite part of the Constitution just to point out your favorite part.
Just because you can measure it, doesn't mean it is important. Just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean it isn't important.
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http://www.welchvacuum.com/product_i...2/1402B-01.jpg
i'm with you, this thing is friggin gorgeous. it is a thought crime to simplify what it does down to pulling a vaccum. it's like a sculpture crossed with a poem. the mystery of how it operates keeps me awake nights.
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You, on the other hand, could probably accomplish it with minimal effortsounds like a challenge!
rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile! rile!
the power of cut 'n paste....bwa-haa-haa-haaa!
I don't know why I'm in the mood for a debate this evening??....
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Again, automatic purge systems on absorbers are far more than just a vacuum pump. To say anything less shows a lack of knowledge on the subject.
(Don't get riled up - it causes heartburn..........)
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well, it's a good thing you're here to put me in my place.
i'll just quit my job and tell my customers you'll be by lol. you up to cut into a heat exchanger next week? i'd rather be on a beach somewhere anyways.
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is this luno guy worth it? he your nephew or something? do i need to put together a powerpoint and spill my professional guts here or what? for all you know he's playing trivial pursuit with his sister or got the question on cash cab! jagoff never came back to see how brilliant we are!
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because you are a Presidential candidate at heart!
Vote for klove! Vote for klove! Vote for klove! Vote for klove! Vote for klove! Vote for klove! Vote for klove! Vote for klove!
"Right" is not the same as "Wise".
Don't step on my favorite part of the Constitution just to point out your favorite part.
Just because you can measure it, doesn't mean it is important. Just because you can't measure it, doesn't mean it isn't important.
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I'd accept the nomination for Secretary of Defense. I never have been a good enough liar or spindoctor to be POTUS. Of course, if we could actually get a couple of blue collar working guys into office, it would go a long way towards getting things on the right track. What do you want to be?
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I'll leave this one alone. It opens up way too much territory to shoot into. (I've opened gracious plenty HX's in my life - one more would just be one more.)well, it's a good thing you're here to put me in my place.
i'll just quit my job and tell my customers you'll be by lol. you up to cut into a heat exchanger next week? i'd rather be on a beach somewhere anyways.
1) No idea who he/she is
2) One shouldn't give in depth troubleshooting and service info on an open forum
3) Not a clue as to what he/she was doing that triggered the question
4) Lots of one-shot wonders never return to comment on answers given to their questions
5) #'s 2, 3, and 4 don't preclude us from giving a correct answer
The original question was very concise. Simply a beginner asking what a purge does/how it works. Could be an apprentice or a building owner/manager that wants to know due to who-knows-what. You asked "why are you asking?". I simply made the statement that they probably wanted to know. No ulterior motives, no subversive plots. Just asking. Should have gone away right there.
But no, it just wouldn't die. You insinuated that all purges use a small vacuum pump to get rid of the NC's out of the purge tank, and then used a Turboguard as your example of what the guy could be working on. See where this is going?
It's not about you and me seeing who can pee the farthest - it's about getting correct info to those that ask for it (to the best of our ability). No one's perfect or knows everything. As RichardL says, "Ain't none of us as smart as all of us". I've been corrected on this forum a time or two myself.
OK - my 2 minutes are up. I don't feel like debating anymore.
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EXACTLY! If anyone had taken the time to look at luno's profile one would have found he/she hasn't been on the forum since 1:19 PM on the day the question was posed. So luno saw exactly one answer to his question. The rest of the contest has been for the entertainment of regulars only.
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look, my friend.
all absorption chiller purges *are* good sized vacuum pumps. you don't get to piss on me over that. it's a fact. i am *positive* that there are many things you know that i don't know, many jobs you've pulled that i've never had to deal with. i'm sure you're a world class mechanic. i'm sorry, i don't find absorber purges to be that complicated. i'm not going to start crying about the actuator, and the solenoid, and the tank, and the sensor, and the *sniff* software...does anyone know york's passcode to put this thing in manual?! what the hell is this, a gauge that reads in millimeters?! *ack* *weeping*.... oh lord, you've broken me. you win! how could i have been so arrogant! i know nothing of purges!
as for whatever errors you're finding in my *general* statements about how low pressure chiller purges *generally* operate, i'm sorry that i didn't include everyone's favorite purge, the turboguard, or clearly define the various assortments, brands, sizes, and designs of pumps used to evacuate noncondensables. i hope Lumo comes back so you can undo the damage i did to his brain before it's too late.<- that's sarcasm.
Last edited by automig; 10-23-2012 at 12:31 PM. Reason: add a smiley
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Nice weather we are having today
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73 and sunny here
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20 degrees with snow on the ground here
Don't worry zombies are looking for brains, you're safe...
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Think Im going to take a stab at answering the OPs question ...It runs...... It purges ............
Now back to all the other stuff
The toy chest is officially full ... I got a new toy..... 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage
You bend em" I"ll mend em" !!!!!!!
I"m not a service tech, I’m retired ….I used to be a thermodynamic transfer analyst & strategic system sustainability specialist
In the new big shop , greasin', oilin' . tweakin' n shinin' !!
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I ran a lot when I was younger. I purged a lot, too. Come to think of it, I still purge a lot.......Think Im going to take a stab at answering the OPs question ...
It runs...... It purges ............
Now back to all the other stuff
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Me too especially after Jays asparagus with bacon and extra pudding for dessertI ran a lot when I was younger. I purged a lot, too. Come to think of it, I still purge a lot.......
The toy chest is officially full ... I got a new toy..... 2007 Aston Martin V8 Vantage
You bend em" I"ll mend em" !!!!!!!
I"m not a service tech, I’m retired ….I used to be a thermodynamic transfer analyst & strategic system sustainability specialist
In the new big shop , greasin', oilin' . tweakin' n shinin' !!
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