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  1. #27
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    That was my second *****! Game changer. Probably forced on them by their dealer network.
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    kontrol out
    "Open is as open does." - Forrest Gump
    "Can't we all just get a Lon?" - Garry Jack
    "BACnet: integration or interrogation?" - The Janitor
    "Open protocols? You can't handle open protocols!" - Nathan R. Jessup
    “What’s that? Aaa… open protocols? Don’t talk about…. open protocols? Are you kidding me? Open protocols? I just hope we can hardwire an interface!” - Jim Mora http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

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Size:  82.3 KBSince everyone wants proof. I have connected an ALC ZN 551 directly to a JCI-NAE via MS/TP by (oh my gosh!) moving a jumper to MS/TP on the ZN. It's running at 38.4 and was able to discover it in the NAE.

    It's been a long time coming, but they finally did it. To see an ALC module talking directly to a NAE via MS/TP is...awesome
    "It's not that I'm smart, it's that I stay with the problem longer”
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    G'Day,

    sorry has nothing to do with the topic BUT.......

    AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by blabath View Post
    My only complaint is that the customer and other control companies are locked out of the logic programming.
    Now... I'll take some heat for this... Most control companies protect their interest in their customers by NOT letting others do any programming at all. They protect their logic.
    Greetings blabath. In regards to logic if I have taken years to refine my processes for control why is it you are entitled to something for which you did not pay for receiving? Shall you pay me a royalty for use? I have chosen not to be open source.

    If I have sold this to the owner then I release the logic process to them. I would then have a higher price for this. Usually, an owner would not want to pay for this engineering. This is similar to buying a smartphone. You buy the phone, you can use it. But, you do not get the internal programming for this phone.

    Yet, I would expect product software and configuration tools left to the owner to be available for use by others. And, if a system is properly conceived avoiding proprietary product and protocol then there is a way for reasonable product migration. My mantra is to avoid systems that are incapable of flat routing of protocol. When this is accomplished there is always a way to freedom, absent territorial restrictions, fees and licensing concerns of a previous installation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrHVA View Post
    G'Day,

    sorry has nothing to do with the topic BUT.......

    AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE!
    ????

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris_Worthington View Post
    ????
    Couldn't find a button to PM kontrolphreak so, I posted on here. I believe he's an Aussie yeah? If I'm mistaken then PTI.

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    As a regular member I don't believe you can PM - click on KP's username and then click on the about me tab - you'll see his email there.
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    Yeah. Just saw the result. First game I every went to was NZ v Aus in 88 and we drew them then too! First time in like for ever that they hadn't beat us. Charged the field at the end as a grade 10 schoolboy and said hey to the Aussies!
    When I saw your post I hadn't seen the result and was hoping beyond hope for the win, but I'll take the draw.

    kontrol out
    "Open is as open does." - Forrest Gump
    "Can't we all just get a Lon?" - Garry Jack
    "BACnet: integration or interrogation?" - The Janitor
    "Open protocols? You can't handle open protocols!" - Nathan R. Jessup
    “What’s that? Aaa… open protocols? Don’t talk about…. open protocols? Are you kidding me? Open protocols? I just hope we can hardwire an interface!” - Jim Mora http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

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    Have the finally made the stpt microblock BACnet?

    kontrol out
    "Open is as open does." - Forrest Gump
    "Can't we all just get a Lon?" - Garry Jack
    "BACnet: integration or interrogation?" - The Janitor
    "Open protocols? You can't handle open protocols!" - Nathan R. Jessup
    “What’s that? Aaa… open protocols? Don’t talk about…. open protocols? Are you kidding me? Open protocols? I just hope we can hardwire an interface!” - Jim Mora http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

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    Quote Originally Posted by xarralu View Post
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Size:  82.3 KBSince everyone wants proof. I have connected an ALC ZN 551 directly to a JCI-NAE via MS/TP by (oh my gosh!) moving a jumper to MS/TP on the ZN. It's running at 38.4 and was able to discover it in the NAE.

    It's been a long time coming, but they finally did it. To see an ALC module talking directly to a NAE via MS/TP is...awesome
    Welcome to the 21st Century! This is one if not the biggest improvements ALC has made with their controllers since they made them MSTP configurable, no more *****ing about no programs in AMR, no more *****ing that ALC controllers were not third party BACnet peer-to-peer controllers (other then LGR). And with the improvements they have made in their software I would say they are the leaders of the pack in the BACnet world.

    kontrol out
    "Open is as open does." - Forrest Gump
    "Can't we all just get a Lon?" - Garry Jack
    "BACnet: integration or interrogation?" - The Janitor
    "Open protocols? You can't handle open protocols!" - Nathan R. Jessup
    “What’s that? Aaa… open protocols? Don’t talk about…. open protocols? Are you kidding me? Open protocols? I just hope we can hardwire an interface!” - Jim Mora http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7fjDS0jKiE

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    No. I haven't heard anything about it coming down the pipeline yet

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    New Drivers for WebCTRL ALC Modules?

    Xarralu,

    Are the new ALC module drivers packaged with WC5.2 or 5.5 or 5.6?

    Have you tried using them with WC3.0 or WC4.1spB systems?

    I still have clients with older systems that don't have the funds to upgrade yet due to
    the tight economy, and are trying to keep there controls going until they can afford
    to start upgrading.

    I noticed mention of a P10 module, what about the old 88h drivers?

    I wonder if the newer BACnet control specs hitting the street that exclude any BACnet product line that
    "locks" out BACnet points, and controllers, from being accessed by the owner or "owner's selected
    representative" are starting to have an impact at the manufacturers "C-Level" decision makers.

    ALC has made a very smart strategic move with these changes.
    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit" Aristotle

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    The old S,M,UNI,LGR,LGE all support MS/TP. The exec 4 Devices do not, but hell bacnet wasn't invented at that time.

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