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  1. #79
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    At some point the time and the fight just ain't worth it, huh?

    I figured you'd hold out for $2k, and was kinda looking forward to your story about raking the warranty company over the coals. Sounds like you had the permit department lined up to block them.

    Did you ever get an ESP # on your system?
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    At some point the time and the fight just ain't worth it, huh?

    I figured you'd hold out for $2k, and was kinda looking forward to your story about raking the warranty company over the coals. Sounds like you had the permit department lined up to block them.

    Did you ever get an ESP # on your system?
    lol... It was a choice between letting them put in a condenser without a permit and hoping it works, or holding out and fighting about it between the hwc and their contractor (who's Orlando office is willing to work without the permit) and maybe getting the claim denied alltogether in the process.

    No ESP reading yet, but the last dealer (Rheem/Bryant) who was out this morning said all his techs have a manometer and know how to use it and ESP is determined before and after each install. Of course, the Bryant Evolution (3-ton Trophy) communicating coil reads ESP too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post

    No ESP reading yet, but the last dealer (Rheem/Bryant) who was out this morning said all his techs have a manometer and know how to use it and ESP is determined before and after each install. Of course, the Bryant Evolution (3-ton Trophy) communicating coil reads ESP too.
    Sounds like you might have found your installer. Trophy synonymous with Greenspeed?

    ESP is determined before and after each install.
    When "before". Before design, or just before pulling the old equipment? Pretty big distinction (although maybe not in your case because design is 99% settled).
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    Sounds like you might have found your installer. Trophy synonymous with Greenspeed?
    No. Evolution = Infinity with 2-stage scroll compressor under the Bryant label. Greenspeed = Infinity with inverter technology under the Carrier label. Trophy is just a 3-ton Evolution that's been tweaked to deliver slighty more BTU. Any of the Evolution models with the Infinity coil is communicating 2-stage, whereas with just a variable speed blower and standard coil they're non-communicating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    When "before". Before design, or just before pulling the old equipment? Pretty big distinction (although maybe not in your case because design is 99% settled).
    Maybe I should have said "during" install... since design is 99% settled.

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    Ok.

    That's fantastic you are getting 2 stage, guess that'd be "Performance" or "Comfort" series. Can't wait to hear the savings and comfort results.

    So, I know no pricing, but going to inverter pump from 2 stage is just too ?
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    Ok.

    That's fantastic you are getting 2 stage, guess that'd be "Performance" or "Comfort" series. Can't wait to hear the savings and comfort results.?
    No, not Performance or Comfort. Evolution is Bryant's "label" on the Infinity, just not the Infinity Greenspeed with the inverter.

    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    So, I know no pricing, but going to inverter pump from 2 stage is just too ?
    Based on the earlier quote I received on the 3-ton Greenspeed, it may not be as big a difference as you'd think.

    Still will have to weigh and decide between high end and 15 SEER models.

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    The 15 SEER will give you the best payback time unless there are considerable rebates/tax credit to absorb some of the difference in price.

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    If you are on municipal utilities it won't be long before your energy cost becomes a transparent part of your total housing value. In Florida that consumption is public record. (some think it's a privacy right here in NY, but I intend to change that).

    Taxes, interest rates, and granite counters effect value because they are easily seen and compared. One house with energy costs of $300 a month will be clearly worth less than an identical house that costs $200. All that is currently missing to properly value energy efficiency is widespread energy consumption transparency, and that is on it's way.

    http://bit.ly/gainsvillegreen

    In a 30 year mortgage, $20 lower energy bill translates to $4200. If you sell in 10 years, add the $2400 saved to that number. So the more efficient unit might be worth quite a bit more than the incremental cost at sale.
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    If you are on municipal utilities it won't be long before your energy cost becomes a transparent part of your total housing value. In Florida that consumption is public record. (some think it's a privacy right here in NY, but I intend to change that).

    Taxes, interest rates, and granite counters effect value because they are easily seen and compared. One house with energy costs of $300 a month will be clearly worth less than an identical house that costs $200. All that is currently missing to properly value energy efficiency is widespread energy consumption transparency, and that is on it's way.

    http://bit.ly/gainsvillegreen
    Dave and Jeff live in side by side identical houses. Dave's utility bills are less then half of Jeffs. Jeff has a say at home wife, and 2 kids. Dave has a wife that has a full time job, they have no kids. And they tend to dine out mostly so they aren't home much of the time. How will knowing the utility bills/consumption tell anyone anything about the house itself?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beenthere View Post
    Dave and Jeff live in side by side identical houses. Dave's utility bills are less then half of Jeffs. Jeff has a say at home wife, and 2 kids. Dave has a wife that has a full time job, they have no kids. And they tend to dine out mostly so they aren't home much of the time. How will knowing the utility bills/consumption tell anyone anything about the house itself?
    +1, usage habits are a huge factor in bills. Thermostat setpoint is enough to make the records inaccurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    +1, usage habits are a huge factor in bills. Thermostat setpoint is enough to make the records inaccurate.
    What about the wife that enters a room and leaves the light on when she leaves, every time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toocoolforschool View Post
    What about the wife that enters a room and leaves the light on when she leaves, every time.
    Install CFL or LED lighting. And/or get an occupancy switch.

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