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    Speculation about the Health Care Bill

    although it's true many people are against the bill i feel i'm one of the only people , on the victim side, that understand the true potential of this legal monstrosity.

    first of all, there is only one issue about this bill that is important, and that's the MANDATE that FORCES people to buy insurance.
    this is an unbelievable amount of power given to companies by the government.

    the current estimate for NOT buying insurance is a tax of $1300 per year, and there is nothing that says that amount won't rise or double.
    if my premium was $1300 , that would be more money than i paid when i had insurance.

    1) There's going to be a massive increase in the health care industry.
    basically what will happen is, the insurance companies will tally up the cost of doing business, add many high paying jobs, add loosely related jobs and services, add in hefty profits, and bill the whole thing to the public.
    the expense will be divided by an average premium rate. ($1300 per working person is a lot of money)
    the health care industry could increase 10 fold.
    since the money is extorted from the public, the health care industry is probably going to be one of the only places to get a good job.

    2) Given the fact that only 3% of Massachusetts refused to buy insurance, we can expect probably 92% of working people in the country to go along with the program.
    the next logical step is to automatically deduct premiums from the paycheck, we can expect that people like me who don't buy insurance won't have no choice. the company will put you on the plan as soon as you are hired.

    3) I expect premiums will differ from zip-code. this is the way they get money from people who have it and give people a break who don't.

    4) Obviously insurance companies will offer coverage to businesses in group plans. eventually, the bigger your company is, the more everyone will pay. there will be fees for individuals and fees for the company, as there is now

    5) Much of the Western Hemisphere is going to migrate to America while the good times last.
    Not everyone is going to pay for insurance.
    the Health Care Bill lists illegal aliens as exempt.
    these people are going to receive free coverage , paid for by people who work in America.
    this bill could destroy everything we know about America.
    there will be more insentive to move here, less insentive to become a citizen, and more insentive to sit on the ass with free benefits then become a productive part of society

    6) Doctors are going to start being ripped off. insurance companies will dictate sub-low payment for procedures.
    (the current bill has price controls for doctors)
    doctors are going to be over-worked and REALLY not care about anything

    7) There not going to allow people to claim "self-employed" and not pay into the system.
    there will be millions of people who would-have started a business that will be chased away because of another expense.
    we can expect that once you claim "self employed" you will have to show insurance before you get a business license...or something similar.

    8) There will be an almost instantaneous over-load on the system, mostly filled by routine check-ups. people will have to start waiting for appointments and people with real problems will have to wait longer.
    things are going to start looking like county hospitals.

    9) The rich will have options to buy premium plans that will place them at the head of the line.

    10) Things like vitamins, flu shots, certain drugs, and certain tests will become MANDATORY or you won't be covered, ...but still have to pay.
    if you don't show up for your baby embryo flu shot, you won't get full treatment when you have a serious issue.
    you will start being called to the medical center, probably bi-monthly.

    11) No matter how much they claim "death panels" are fiction, the truth is every plan of action for every ailment will be pre-determined.
    of course many people will die waiting for a chain of events, or die because someone has decided there will be no more treatment.
    many more people will be upset that they are not getting the treatment they fell they need.


    12) The days of second opinions are over. each doctor will register a pre-determined plan of action, if you feel there is a misdiagnosis, or things aren't moving fast enough ,too bad.
    everything will be listed on medical records that will be shared with every doctor who you are involved with, who will all be required to follow the same procedures.

    13) It will be far easier for pharmaceutical companies to test their products on live people as a board will determine which drugs to use as standard procedure.
    instead of the direction we should be heading, questioning if all these drugs are damaging to us.

    14) Every two-bit health scam will become a mandatory part of treatment.
    a person might be punished in some way for smoking, drinking coffee, or eating at Taco Bell.
    people who don't play Simon-Says will probably have to pay higher premiums.
    the health care industry will be able to dictate which companies offer "healthy" products, and which are ruined by being labeled "unhealthy"

    15) The health care industry will become a massive bureaucracy, even bigger than it already is, as more employees are added and more profit is pulled out , you can expect premiums to rise every couple of years.
    like all Socialist plans, health care will have to be broken every year, so they can demand more money from the public.

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    Well said, scares the $h*t out of me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Well said, scares the $h*t out of me.
    Wolf made a great post. I find point 5 particularly disturbing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Wolf made a great post. I find point 5 particularly disturbing.
    I find it all extremely disturbing and more than likely all true but luckily IMO BamBam and his health plan is going to be repealed when Romney gets in office in January. I just hope Romney really believes mandatory nationalized healthcare is a terrible idea, which I believe he does.

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    Actually, illegal aliens are not covered by the health care bill.

    But... they will still receive free medical coverage the same as they always have.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    Actually, illegal aliens are not covered by the health care bill.

    But... they will still receive free medical coverage the same as they always have.....
    Re-read it:

    5) Much of the Western Hemisphere is going to migrate to America while the good times last.
    Not everyone is going to pay for insurance.
    the Health Care Bill lists illegal aliens as exempt.
    these people are going to receive free coverage , paid for by people who work in America.
    this bill could destroy everything we know about America.
    there will be more insentive to move here, less insentive to become a citizen, and more insentive to sit on the ass with free benefits then become a productive part of society


    It has more to do than illegals free healthcare, citizens also, and the incentive implications.
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    Opinion-based speculation. We'll see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dna View Post
    Opinion-based speculation. We'll see.
    You have countering opinion based speculation?
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

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    Not really speculation, but I believe everyone should have medical insurance. Even if the only thing you can afford is a high deductible, high out of pocket, catastrophic type insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dna View Post
    Not really speculation, but I believe everyone should have medical insurance. Even if the only thing you can afford is a high deductible, high out of pocket, catastrophic type insurance.
    I would rather make my own decision based on my situation and not have the government force me to do something I may not want to do or fine me if I disagree. I don't know about you but I don't beleive the government knows what's best for you, me or anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dna View Post
    Not really speculation, but I believe everyone should have medical insurance. Even if the only thing you can afford is a high deductible, high out of pocket, catastrophic type insurance.
    The concept of democracy sounds good as long as one is on the winning side... however lets look at democracy from a different view:

    The population of a democratic city is 4 bodies... 3 wolves and one sheep. They decide to vote on what is for dinner... and YOU are the sheep. Do you still like democracy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    I would rather make my own decision based on my situation and not have the government force me to do something I may not want to do or fine me if I disagree. I don't know about you but I don't beleive the government knows what's best for you, me or anyone else.
    GA will put it this way: GA KNOWS the govt does NOT know what is best for GA! So ANY plan including the govt dictating my medical needs is WRONG for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Re-read it:

    5) Much of the Western Hemisphere is going to migrate to America while the good times last.
    Not everyone is going to pay for insurance.
    the Health Care Bill lists illegal aliens as exempt.
    these people are going to receive free coverage , paid for by people who work in America.
    this bill could destroy everything we know about America.
    there will be more insentive to move here, less insentive to become a citizen, and more insentive to sit on the ass with free benefits then become a productive part of society


    It has more to do than illegals free healthcare, citizens also, and the incentive implications.

    This bill isnt going to stop the trends of illegal or legal immigration to this country.

    Folks who have always gotten a free ride here are going to continue to get a free ride here until america comes up with a "final solution" ...if you will.... of getting them to stop coming here or removing the ones that are here already.

    And... they dont actually get free healthcare...... they get free emergency health treatment.

    Yes, it is wrong for the government to force this upon us.......but it isnt going to be the death of this nation.
    One things for _______ sure, Plymouth rock didnt land on Obamas sorry ___. That ___ __ _ _____ wasnt nowhere near america a million years ago. He aint even a ______, he is half african and half american.

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