It seems to me that we were hearing that Obama was not attending the weekly intel meetings at the White House. Perhaps he and Joe would know what is going on if they were doing their jobs instead of playing golf.
They are either lying or are incompetent. Given all the varying answers from Obama and his staff I can only conclude both are true. Given Biden's inability to listen to his debate opponent I would guess if he had been informed of the ambassador's request for more security he was not listening.
It seems to me that we were hearing that Obama was not attending the weekly intel meetings at the White House. Perhaps he and Joe would know what is going on if they were doing their jobs instead of playing golf.
They are either lying or are incompetent. Given all the varying answers from Obama and his staff I can only conclude both are true. Given Biden's inability to listen to his debate opponent I would guess if he had been informed of the ambassador's request for more security he was not listening.
I believe its quite possible that the white house never knew of the security requests.
Look at the size of the government. All the different departments all the pressing security and defense matters at any given moment.
If you are looking for a head to chop off in this.....Id look in the state department.
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I agree, I don't expect every little request to make its way to the President for approval but I do expect him to appoint someone competent enough to make those decisions to right posts. And, of course, the President is also responsible for all the standing orders he puts in place that gives his appointees the context by which they'll make those decisions.
Either way, the buck stops at the Oval Office. And to shirk responsibility by placing the blame on the intelligence community for the President's obvious cover-up for his administration's lack of preparedness for what is obviously a planned terrorist attack and NOT another "innocent", extemporaneous Muslim temper-tantrum (it happened on Sep 11, remember) over some obscure anti-Muslim YouTube video proves to me he has no interest whatsoever in doing what he can to protect American citizens across the globe.
So.... ed.... you think 911 should land squarely on the shrubs shoulders instead of the petty infighting and lack of information sharing among his departments ???
I dont... Our government is one gigantic cluster**** of a machine.......many departments....its not some micromanaged one owner and a helper or two business....
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It seems to me that we were hearing that Obama was not attending the weekly intel meetings at the White House. Perhaps he and Joe would know what is going on if they were doing their jobs instead of playing golf.
They are either lying or are incompetent. Given all the varying answers from Obama and his staff I can only conclude both are true. Given Biden's inability to listen to his debate opponent I would guess if he had been informed of the ambassador's request for more security he was not listening.
"We were never told."......"I did not have sex with that woman."......"I never voted for the war in Iraq."......
I believe its quite possible that the white house never knew of the security requests.
Look at the size of the government. All the different departments all the pressing security and defense matters at any given moment.
If you are looking for a head to chop off in this.....Id look in the state department.
Another good argument for why we desperately need to reduce the size of government.
So.... ed.... you think 911 should land squarely on the shrubs shoulders instead of the petty infighting and lack of information sharing among his departments ???
I dont... Our government is one gigantic cluster**** of a machine.......many departments....its not some micromanaged one owner and a helper or two business....
As president, W Bush accepted a share of the responsibility for the 9-11 attacks. Obama won't take responsibility for his farts stinking after eating too much arugala salad.
So.... ed.... you think 911 should land squarely on the shrubs shoulders instead of the petty infighting and lack of information sharing among his departments ???
I dont... Our government is one gigantic cluster**** of a machine.......many departments....its not some micromanaged one owner and a helper or two business....
Ultimately every intelligence failure (if there is any) falls squarely on the shoulders of the President, if not in actual deed then by proxy or by the virtue of the office he holds.
That said, I don't think W ever really blamed anyone else. Until, of course, the Democrat-controlled Congress, in an attempt to discredit his administration so that their man could get elected to the nation's highest office, decided to hold committees, subcommittees & inquiries to see who knew what when when we all know it was al Qaeda who's really at fault. And, the difference between W and Obama is W didn't make up some story about some obscure video that caused this terrorist act - but Obama did.
Look, I'm with you, corny: I also think the constant partisan bickering has got to stop! But when a terrorist act happens we should call it what it is instead of fabricating some story blaming ourselves for what happened.
Ultimately every intelligence failure (if there is any) falls squarely on the shoulders of the President, if not in actual deed then by proxy or by the virtue of the office he holds.
That said, I don't think W ever really blamed anyone else. Until, of course, the Democrat-controlled Congress, in an attempt to discredit his administration so that their man could get elected to the nation's highest office, decided to hold committees, subcommittees & inquiries to see who knew what when when we all know it was al Qaeda who's really at fault. And, the difference between W and Obama is W didn't make up some story about some obscure video that caused this terrorist act - but Obama did.
Look, I'm with you, corny: I also think the constant partisan bickering has got to stop! But when a terrorist act happens we should call it what it is instead of fabricating some story blaming ourselves for what happened.
Maybe bams will come out after he leaves office and accept part of the blame....
I cant find where Bush ever took part of the blame for his negligence which allowed 9-11 to happen..... but Im sure he waited till he was out of office to do it.
As for the attack..... protester outside the embassy protesting that movie..... sorta looks to me like the intial motive for the attack was the film..... but a day or two later the admin was saying that they thought it was a planned attack by terrorists.....
Looks to me like they just didnt know at first and were placing blame on the most obvious reason.....
anyhow.... just a couple of more weeks for america to decide.... God help that heathen cultist romney and his pet athiest attack dog ryan when the shtf.....
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Maybe bams will come out after he leaves office and accept part of the blame....
I cant find where Bush ever took part of the blame for his negligence which allowed 9-11 to happen..... but Im sure he waited till he was out of office to do it.
As for the attack..... protester outside the embassy protesting that movie..... sorta looks to me like the intial motive for the attack was the film..... but a day or two later the admin was saying that they thought it was a planned attack by terrorists.....
Looks to me like they just didnt know at first and were placing blame on the most obvious reason.....
anyhow.... just a couple of more weeks for america to decide.... God help that heathen cultist romney and his pet athiest attack dog ryan when the shtf.....
Corny why don't you just admit that you are a yellow dog liberal Democrat and will defend Obama and all the other socialist Democrats who are destroying our country and in your opinion alien or not they are better than good patiotic conservative Americans. I think that about sums it up. Thank you, thank you very much
"I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle." "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them." Barry Goldwater
Maybe bams will come out after he leaves office and accept part of the blame....
I cant find where Bush ever took part of the blame for his negligence which allowed 9-11 to happen..... but Im sure he waited till he was out of office to do it.
As for the attack..... protester outside the embassy protesting that movie..... sorta looks to me like the intial motive for the attack was the film..... but a day or two later the admin was saying that they thought it was a planned attack by terrorists.....
Looks to me like they just didnt know at first and were placing blame on the most obvious reason.....
anyhow.... just a couple of more weeks for america to decide.... God help that heathen cultist romney and his pet athiest attack dog ryan when the shtf.....
I never said W took the blame for 9/11, nor do I think he should, because he's not the one who planned, took part in or gave the order for the attack - that blame lies with al Qaeda alone. But what he never did was blame America, an American citizen or some silly video for what happened, unlike Obama and his "blame America first" team, when it was obviously an unprovoked terrorist act.
As to the stupid excuse that some mob outside an American embassy somewhere in the Muslim world was protesting a VERY obscure YouTube video that coincidentally came to light on the 11th anniversary of 9/11 seems a little too weak for me to believe. Anybody that believes that is not only too dumb to run the country but he also probably doesn't have the common sense of a horse to even vote.
I was responding to you and robo kook ....I hope that one doesnt get me in trouble....... in the same post.
Again....my most sincere apologies.
As for the mob..... cartoons in newspapers have set those devils off before....all around the globe.
an obscure you tube video....... probably promoted on you tube so that muslims would see it......
anyhow.... embassy attacked....guy raped and killed..... we now know that we need more security...
You just cant "what if" these situations.....
How much security is enough ??? a squad, platoon, battalion ???
What if there had been more than enough security for the embassy but the terrorists had enough rockets to still do the damage they did ???
I bet when that emabssy official who got raped and killed saw the end coming he probably thought it was over a dumb movie....... they were the ones....the embassy....that was sending out the message that they did not agree with the movie..... Im sure everyone in that compound....just like everyone here in the USA thought that the killings were related to that movie.......till the government popped up and said otherwise.
By the way.... Romney believed it..... Im sure Ryan did too.... I wonder if there is anyone out there we could get to take Romneys place that didnt believe the movie was responsible.....at least till monday when the government started sending out info that they believe it was a planned terrorist attack.
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