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10-11-2012, 11:26 PM #1
Missing topics in our fake election
someone is telling out politicians what they can talk about and what they can't.
1) Now we just found out that unemployment numbers are manipulated by a state that refused to submit their statistics.
there is a whole state of unemployed people who are being swept under the rug for this election.
why doesn't Romney or Ryan talk about this?
2) Everything on our shelves is made in China, how is it that there is no mention of this in a presidential debate?
3) The immigration topic has disappeared.
what happened was...
conspirators started flooding immigrants into the country.
people who supported U.S. law and who disagreed were called "racist", then as people voted politicians to stop the onslaught, the politicians simply ignored the public.
now that 25% of the country is Hispanic, they are saying you have to support illegal immigration or you will lose votes.
the other 3/4ths of the country is probably still pissed off enough that an anti-immigration policy would still win support,
...but now the topic is forbidden.
it's tragic that conspirators could do this to a nation.
4) How is it that the Health Care Bill , the biggest legal atrocity of our time that will tax every working American, only receives a brief mention in a presidential debate?
Why do the Republicans allow the Democrats to claim they are helping the "middle class" , when the health care bill is the largest tax in the nation's history, ...on the middle class?
5) Why are Republicans ignoring the fact that Obama wants to raise the age of Social Security and allowing him to win support from people who don't listen very well?
10-12-2012, 05:25 PM #2Professional Member
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Don't blame either side, blame them both. I was just reminded of the group The League Of Women Voters. They used to hold the debates. In 1988 they were approached by both parties and told what the debate would consist of. They refused and said "That would be a fraud on the American people" The debates were taken from them and this is what we have. Controlled content. We've been had and still believe. The conspirators you mention were our own parties.
You do need to remember though that the health care bill wasn't just a democrat idea and while it will tax everybody I'm tired of paying for so many free rides by those that ether can't afford the insurance available or those that work the system. How would you fix that?Tracers work both ways.
10-12-2012, 07:36 PM #3
the health care bill was created by some group who labeled themselves "conservative". that's how they justify calling the bill a Republican idea.
in my opinion it's all BS, 100%? of the Republicans voted against it?
originally, health care was something to help the public. people didn't worry about who was going to pay for it, they just provided as much help as they could.
this back when we had sane health care charity run by the churches.
the government came along and said 'we are going to charge a little tax and run county hospitals'
now, with insurance companies and people from the health care industry making big profits,health care has become a political issue.
unfortunatley, the health care bill is not going to force people to pay their fair share.
all it does is force working Americans to pay for everyone else.
the current bill exempts illegals from having to pay, so there will be more people coming here, unwilling to get citizenship, and now there is a law saying the working American has to pay for everyone
10-12-2012, 08:17 PM #4Professional Member
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What's changed is the US has moved from the practice of medicine to the business of medicine. The days of being able to afford care is now only for a few. The insurance industry was very involved in this new approach to the medicine business. They will win or at least make money no matter what the outcome is.
In the end this was born out of necessity. When many can't pay for care the process has to be reinvented. What we are seeing is just that. Churches can't afford to help. Even our government can't. The insurance companies can but only if everyone has their product and can't scam the system. Their industry wins if a patient gets great care or crappy. They will provide an insurance product for every one involved win or loose.
It's like the government is underwriting the insurance industry.Tracers work both ways.
10-12-2012, 08:51 PM #5
Most everything in medicine costs a LOT more because of a lack of tort law reform. This drives up malpractice premiums and hospital charges, which of course all get passed on to the patients. Being from the medical community and married to an ICU nurse, I can assure you there is very little patient care and mainly charting, CYA and legal do's and don'ts. They have the Joint Commission dictating what hospitals can and cannot/ should and should not have/ do then the State then a new program called "Magnet" that, too dictates you cannot have open coffer cups at the nurses station anymore, for ex. The other monster is, of course, insurance. BTW private insurance and Medicare DRGs, we already have socialized medicine telling us what we can and cannot get. We already pay indigent tax millage to provide free emergency care for anyone. It is against federal law to refuse emergency care and once an ambulance is called, failure to transport to a licensed physician is considered "abandonment" by the physician, which means easy money for street trolls. We have insurance companies flying patients and their families down to the Carribbean to have surgical procedures done out of country by US doctors and nurses using top quality equipment and medicines. Patients and families have their travel and lodging at very nice hotels being paid for by the insurance companies because doing all that is much cheaper that doing it in the US but it also absolves them of medical malpractice and liability except what the host country's standard of care is. Talk about jobs moving offshore. This is all because Congress is made up of lawyers. Lawyers will not pass laws to curb awards in tort law cases nor will they curb anything that affects their business with insurance companies. You want to remove the "need" for Obamacare? Kill all the lawyers (Shakespeare, which is actually a mis-quote). Honestly, we should be debating tort law reform more than medical care. Medical savings accounts would pump zillions of dollars back into the economy but the wrong people ( us) would be in control of it, hence this practice is being suppressed. If a doctor accepts cash in fee for service, he can be refused from the Medicaid program altogether. Now, how evil is that?