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  1. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmanacman View Post
    Highly unlikely to get 2 or 3 contractors that will do a load calculation ,can't hurt to get a second quote but don't let a few hundred bucks change your mind .also would get the 10 yr part and labor warranty
    I am just going to get another opinion from a different contractor. I am still sold on the original bid because I was impressed with the low sells pressure, the time he took to check my home top to bottom and the fact that I like Trane.

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    it all sounds good..... nothing wrong with more quotes.... once you give the job out your married
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomby View Post

    This is the informantion he left me on my old outside unit:

    14 years old
    3 ton
    SEER - 9.1
    Model BRCS0361BD

    Unsure of the manufacturer, thought Goodman or Airpro?

    He said it was 15 years old, but then got a call from the person who did the search and came back with the built in 1988 and not 1998.
    http://www.master.ca/documents/0BRCS...Guide-0103.pdf
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    That's it. Funny how they say it is quiet because you can hear this 4 houses away. Also it doesn't blow straight up, if blows more to the side at perhaps 90 degrees

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    Quote Originally Posted by toocoolforschool View Post
    Yea bring in the next dude and share all the info that other guy gave you for free and he will give you x amount of savings, way of the world, nice guy finishes last. He should have closed the sale.
    I hate it when customers do that. I had a guy do it over XXXX on a dual fuel system and he had to call me 10 months later to come fix everything. He ended up paying me XXX for all the repairs leaving him with a grand total of XXX more than I quoted him to end up with a shotty installation and a heapin' helpin' of heartache.
    Last edited by jpsmith1cm; 10-06-2012 at 08:44 PM. Reason: pricing
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    If you have a Coleman/York outside your house for 14yrs, how and why did you decide or pick Trane equipment as your next equipment choice?
    Always here

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    Quote Originally Posted by LibertyTree View Post
    I hate it when customers do that. I had a guy do it over XXXX on a dual fuel system and he had to call me 10 months later to come fix everything. He ended up paying me XXXX for all the repairs leaving him with a grand total of XXX more than I quoted him to end up with a shotty installation and a heapin' helpin' of heartache.
    You definitely have
    enough experience to know that
    the vast majority of homeowners are preset to be cheap and not tru$ting of Mechanical Contractor$.
    The understanding of HVAC and IAQ Value is not a virtue gained by a mental osmosis proocess nor inherited.
    HomeOwners actually have quite a formidable job to try to gain confidence, trust and understanding in the current environment.

    For example, how Many people PLAN on changing their systems out based on poor performance prior to "it's death".
    The only one's that will have proper information to do this will likely be the homeowners that have a trustworthy mechanical contractor performing semi-annual maintenance over a period of years.
    If you have read threads by Florida Joy here, you may be familar with a truly unique, smart individual who takes a significant amount of time to gain an understanding of the real HVAC and building envelope issues.

    If there were a real source of " word-of-mouth advertising", such as Wide spread use of a reputable Angie's List or SIMILAR , the trust of contractors would be more reasonable.
    Maybe the current 20's- 40's generation with a vast social media use will be able to better interact this way to effectively transition " the Hack" to a thing of the Past or at least a VERY Difficult environment for one to operate in.

    One can only HOPE.
    Last edited by jpsmith1cm; 10-06-2012 at 08:45 PM. Reason: pricing from quote
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomby View Post
    That's it. Funny how they say it is quiet because you can hear this 4 houses away. Also it doesn't blow straight up, if blows more to the side at perhaps 90 degrees
    I didn't HEAR any1 say
    ________ compressors would be quiet for 15+ years.

    What do people do when they are sick or irratated, Y E L L !

    We saw people yelling for help.
    I heard someone yelling my name.
    The crowd was yelling wildly.


    Could it be that equipment wishes to emulate humans?

    Certainly, brain transplants will be performed with an electronic package with sufficient "thinking" capacity to present a real evolution in life.
    When were heart transplants thought of as a impossiblity? Only a few decades ago.
    The initial phase of Brain transplants is definitely within a few decades.
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    Define the Building Envelope and Perform a Detailed Load Calc: It's ALL About Windows and Make-up Air Requirements. Know Your Equipment Capabilities

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy star View Post
    If you have a Coleman/York outside your house for 14yrs, how and why did you decide or pick Trane equipment as your next equipment choice?
    I have not made a decision yet, but I am leaning to the Trane line of products

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    Don't get me wrong trane makes a good product and if that is what the contractor you choose uses then definitely use their product because they will be more familiar with it, but it is no better than York, carrier, Lennox etc. The only reason peope think Trane is so great is because they spend Mega bucks on marketing and advertising. I've heard that each piece of equipment trane produces has a 6$ advertising markup which is huge when you are talking about millions of pieces per year. Trane parts OEM parts are priced high compared to other brands as well. The equipment really has little to do with the proper operation, it the installation, sizing and duct sizing that makes the difference in a long lasting reliable hvac system or a POS hvac system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Don't get me wrong trane makes a good product and if that is what the contractor you choose uses then definitely use their product because they will be more familiar with it, but it is no better than York, carrier, Lennox etc. The only reason peope think Trane is so great is because they spend Mega bucks on marketing and advertising. I've heard that each piece of equipment trane produces has a 6$ advertising markup which is huge when you are talking about millions of pieces per year. Trane parts OEM parts are priced high compared to other brands as well. The equipment really has little to do with the proper operation, it the installation, sizing and duct sizing that makes the difference in a long lasting reliable hvac system or a POS hvac system.

    Noted and appreciated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zomby View Post
    I have not made a decision yet, but I am leaning to the Trane line of products
    Yes I know, but how did you make that decision?

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    Quote Originally Posted by energy star View Post
    Yes I know, but how did you make that decision?
    I like Trane and always have. Do you not like the product line?

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