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  1. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by SolarMike View Post
    Individualism sometimes can go a bit far. Sometimes things, like mandatory composting, should be ......well.....mandatory
    That's just not how the free world works

  2. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by CraziFuzzy View Post
    That's just not how the free world works
    There is a difference between freedom and anarchy.. To make a society function, there has to be a set of rules to follow.

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    Paid garbage disposal above a certain limit is the answer.

    Most larger southern ontario municipalities now have a compost pickup program, along with a limit to the number of bags you can throw out. Stickers have to be purchased above and beyond two bags or so every two weeks (a couple of bucks each). Toronto has something similar but with pre-paid bins. Most homeowners compost as a result; implementing it in high rise buildings has been a problem though.

  4. #95
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    That's applying cost where it belongs, and creating incentive not to be wasteful. Building awareness and opportunity to save money.

    It's a better model than "mandatory".
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

  5. #96
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    The other thing is that the garbage gets picked up every 2 weeks, but compostables every week. So if you don't want it to stink to high heaven or feed the local raccoon clan, you stay on top of it. For our friends south of the border, here's how it works:

    -You get a certain size bin for free or a nominal annual amount - i'm forgetting as I'm dealing with an MDU (and garbage allotment is written into the leases) so there had to be an upgrade in size
    -If you downgrade, you get a small tax refund, if you upgrade, you pay more in municipal taxes
    -You can always just buy bag-tags for emergencies and you get a couple in the mail for free every year
    -Garbage gets picked up on week A, then recycling on week B, then garbage, then recycling, always alternating
    -All of the recyclables go into the same bin that gets sorted. If you throw out lots of recyclables, you can request more bins from the city for free
    -Yard waste as much as your curb will take
    -Hazardous waste (batteries, old motor oil,,paint, etc etc etc) free, but you have to take it to a depot or go to a community pickup event

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    So....I went over to the house and the owners were not home. In the back yard was my tank with the HX on it and the pump and flow meter was gone, control was still there though. These guys were nuts. Perfectly good working system and they rip it out. I see the owners on monday......

  7. #98
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    So, you still don't know why it was removed yet you continue to complain, whine and trash them. Why don't you wait to comment once you have some facts in the case please.

  8. #99
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    Ooof.

    One of my idols is mere mortal.
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

  9. #100
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    Mike holmes sets a very good example for how contractors should be. I'm sure something was wrong. Quit your crying.

  10. #101
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    Quote Originally Posted by drife678 View Post
    Mike holmes sets a very good example for how contractors should be. I'm sure something was wrong. Quit your crying.
    He just couldn't find his pipe stretcher or metric adjustable to fix it. Mike Holmes made his millions by ragging on other contractors. Most deserve it, don't get me wrong, but in some cases he has to find faults where there aren't any, just to have material for the show. Let's see how he's gonna spin this into "you and your family could have died a horrific death because of the pump/flow meter".

  11. #102
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    I would be a little upset too if one of my jobs that i put heart and soul into got ripped out and thrown on he lawn without me first being given a chance to remedy any problems. It doesn't really matter the reason or explanation, once it gets to national TV all the viewing public sees is your equipment being removed. I wouldn't be happy about it either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moonrunner View Post
    There is a difference between freedom and anarchy.. To make a society function, there has to be a set of rules to follow.
    The trick is to craft rules that do not result in tyranny.
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  13. #104
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    The trick is to craft rules that do not result in tyranny.
    Ooo, that's a good one!
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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