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    TB, Idk. I guess semantically that could be argued to be true ALWAYS. What is your definition of FREE.

    As far as who pays, I pay a BUNCH of school taxes, and have no kids. There are two simple ways of looking at that.

    I pay you benefit. Sort of an entitlement, short sighted view.
    I pay we all benefit. I like this better. Clearly a better educated society benefits me and everyone. Lot cheaper than housing people in jails, as one example of benefit.

    In the last 4 years I've watched solar panels prices do what flat panel TVs have done, and computers before them. Drop drop drop. Without the initial incentives those early adopters would not have built the market. Now incentives are so small, some don't bother.

    Solar wil distribute production and produce during peak, two things that significantly reduce pressure to increase costly infrastructure. There are many serious long term cost avoidance benefits.

    I think EE incentives are the reason I know building science, and anicdotally know solar and wind. They are the reason we've seen huge change in the approach to sizing, and see discussion of looking comprehensively at the home when replacing equipment. This information is being injected into this industry in a way that would never have happened without incentives.

    So yes, you pay and if you don't get panels, you don't benefit.


    You pay, we all benefit. How do you look at things, short or long view?

    AMD; really? No investments have any guarantees? Hmmm.

    Why should we have accountability? Because we can. The higher confidence you have in a return, the more likely you are to invest.

    If you know anything about financial markets, cost of financing is a function of risk. If we can squeeze risk out of this work, and build consumer confidence, it could go ballistic. Banks will line up to finance, leasing might even occur, and homeowners will make decisions of affordability based on net cost.

    If they do that today, and experience .38 realization, they could be financially hurt. Net cost decisions in the current market is risky business.
    Last edited by tedkidd; 10-10-2012 at 11:16 PM.
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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