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    Sorry, that these "youtube" experts, who, by the way, choose to say that the NIST report was not valid science (actually it was, published and with peer review) then choose to make a youtube video (not peer reviewed, not scientifically arrived at) is somewhat laughable.

    Pot meet kettle?

    Here's what the peer reviewed science white papers say. By the way, it was indeed an implosion. It is onlty the cockamayme conclusions derived from that which indicates a problem.

    Your "experts" don't even understand the science of fire, much less other more esoteric considerations. Laughably, they seem to confuse temperature with heat! A quick review of simple combustion science would have cleared that right up, but hey, we don't want to confuse things by USING SCIENTIFIC BASICS now would we? None of them know the difference bewteen a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame!

    http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf

    http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom...agar-0112.html

    Here's one with pretty pictures for you youtube scientists; be sure to read the part "buildings DON'T tumble!"

    http://eagar.mit.edu/EagarPresentati...C_TMS_2002.pdf

    The science of progressive collapse (note that such is MANDATED in building design).

    http://www.appliedscienceint.com/Ser...llapseAnalysis

    Progressive collapse and the WTC;

    http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/pe...Papers/466.pdf

    Of course, I don't particularly expect much. As I said, all been done before.

    Though I would urge you to get your science from actual peer reviewed science white papers. Not youtube. As you can see (if you read... as I said not expected, tried this already), most of the conclusions from the "expert" testimony on youtube is pretty far off the mark.
    Last edited by scrogdog; 09-27-2012 at 02:36 PM.
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

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    So if the scientists that did the peer review were videoed and put on Youtube they too would become “Youtube experts”? You better not record them giving their estimations. Someone might put that footage on Youtube and trash them. “White paper” is far more impressive.

    I think what is laughable is when people put down Youtube like it is a whacked out conspiracy organization.

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    No, I'm saying that valid science is a methodology not found on youtube. Science makes its reports with scientific white papers. So, if a valid piece of science is found on youtube, it would already have been published as a peer reviewed white paper.

    Have you ever read the scientific method? Wait, what am saying, of course you haven't to make such a post. The scientific method REQUIRES peer review.

    Any idiot can make and post a youtube video. There are no standards or review whatsoever.
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

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    Can we say that we can plainly see yet another trait of conspiracy theorists right before our eyes?

    Facts and science be damned, just give me agenda baby!
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    Too many questionable things happened on 911.
    +... 9 or whatever number it's up to..

    Quote Originally Posted by AStudent View Post
    Buildings don't fall straight down, collapsing floor by floor unless the supports were taken out, eventually the falling portion of the building would have lost momentum, causing a slower fall...not a free fall.
    great video
    Last edited by tedkidd; 09-27-2012 at 03:39 PM.
    Which makes more sense to you?
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    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    +... 9 or whatever number it's up to..



    great video
    See what I mean? Reading the articles would have shown that there was no other way for the collapse to occur. Did you read any of it?

    No. Just like last time and just as I predicted. You people are not interested in knowing what happened at all!

    Once a CT makes up their mind, there is little use for additional conversation as I've said. It's all about agenda and what fuels it. Not facts.

    Building most certainly DO fall straight down. It's called inertia. You know, laws of physics and all that?
    "Social networking" is an oxymoron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    •You are capable of critical thinking.
    •You distrust mainstream media.
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    •You think it’s a good idea to spend the Friday after Thanksgiving with your family rather than camping outside Best Buy to get a cheap plasma television made in China.
    •You think it’s a little strange that WTC building 7 came down at free fall speed on 9/11 yet it was never hit by a plane.
    •You think that drones in America might not be for Al Qaeda.
    •You would like to be able to get on a plane without having to engage in a mandatory radiation bath and digital strip search.
    •You have read a book in the past year.
    •You think you have the right to protest.
    •You think the War on Terror is a scam.
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    •You think the anger directed at America from the Middle East could possibly be related to our foreign policy rather than hating how amazingly free we are.
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    •You have heard of the Bill of Rights and can even name what some of them are.
    •You question whether the government loves you.
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    •You don’t own a television, and if you do, all you watch is RT, especially the Keiser Report and Capital Account.
    •You don’t think the NDAA is the name of Kesha’s latest single.
    •You think rich, powerful and connected people should be subject to the rule of law and go to jail if they commit crimes. Even if they are bankers and work at JP Morgan or Goldman Sachs.
    •You think corporations aren’t people.
    •You think Warren Buffet is a phony and a crony capitalist.
    •You don’t care that Warren Buffet likes cherry coke, hamburgers and ice cream. He’s still a bad guy.
    •You know that gold was made illegal by FDR in 1933 and confiscated from the American people. You know that gold bullion remained illegal for Americans to own until 1975.
    •You think politicians that push for war should be sent to fight on the front lines. If they are unable, their children should go.
    •You want your food to be labeled GMO so that you can make your own decisions on what you are consuming.
    •You grow your own food.
    •You buy raw milk.
    •You think food and energy should be included in inflation calculations.
    •You are aware that the Department of Homeland Security has purchased 1.2 billion rounds of ammo in the past year.
    •You question whether said ammo purchases are in anticipation of a Normandy beach style landing by Al Qaeda.
    •You think allowing a small group of unelected people (The Federal Reserve) to print unlimited amounts of money and distribute it as they please might not be a good idea.

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    That's great! Right on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scrogdog View Post
    Building most certainly DO fall straight down. It's called inertia. You know, laws of physics and all that?
    So why would a demolition crew spend weeks placing charges in specific locations around a building? It is going to fall straight down regardless of where they place them, right? Why demo the middle first, it will fall straight down …its called inertia. Boy, you should head up a demo crew. You could save them a lot of money.

    Some people believe in science, some in God and others in common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    So why would a demolition crew spend weeks placing charges in specific locations around a building? It is going to fall straight down regardless of where they place them, right? Why demo the middle first, it will fall straight down …its called inertia. Boy, you should head up a demo crew. You could save them a lot of money.

    Some people believe in science, some in God and others in common sense.
    If indeed a bui8lding would fall straight down on its own... without careful 'nudging'... then there would be NO controlled demolition industry. Since there is... then buildings do not fall as they should.
    Regardless... there is still those little puffs of dust and Dan Rather saying on national news something like: Gee, that looks like one of those controlled demolition things.

    Still too many un-answered questions. If the govt had nothing to hide... why are they silent?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    So why would a demolition crew spend weeks placing charges in specific locations around a building? It is going to fall straight down regardless of where they place them, right? Why demo the middle first, it will fall straight down …its called inertia. Boy, you should head up a demo crew. You could save them a lot of money.
    lmao.

    concise.

    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post

    I can tell you this much: The truth will ONLY come out (whatever the truth is and if it ever does) AFTER anyone who could be held accountable is dead. Just the way the system works.
    Isn't Dick Cheney dead YET?!?
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    lmao.

    concise.



    Isn't Dick Cheney dead YET?!?
    More than Cheney... I would say a couple of dozen... Whoops...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    So why would a demolition crew spend weeks placing charges in specific locations around a building? It is going to fall straight down regardless of where they place them, right? Why demo the middle first, it will fall straight down …its called inertia. Boy, you should head up a demo crew. You could save them a lot of money.

    Some people believe in science, some in God and others in common sense.
    Just in case you missed this .....

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    You guys who are obsessed with "Peer Review" crack me up. There are peer reviewed articles on how great Fluoride is for you and its now proven to mess you up and lower your IQ. There are peer reviewed articles on the benefits of genetically modified food that is now proven to REALLY mess you up and give you cancer. There are peer reviewed articles on bloodletting which is now considered ludicrous. There are probably peer reviewed articles on cutting holes in peoples heads to let the demons out LOL. Screw your peer review. Your experts claimed its impossible to cut steel horizontally or vertically with thermetic material, the video I posted clearly squashes that statement. Why don't you debate any specific points in my original post? There's a list there. Lets see what you come up with
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