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09-27-2012, 01:10 PM #27
Sorry, that these "youtube" experts, who, by the way, choose to say that the NIST report was not valid science (actually it was, published and with peer review) then choose to make a youtube video (not peer reviewed, not scientifically arrived at) is somewhat laughable.
Pot meet kettle?
Here's what the peer reviewed science white papers say. By the way, it was indeed an implosion. It is onlty the cockamayme conclusions derived from that which indicates a problem.
Your "experts" don't even understand the science of fire, much less other more esoteric considerations. Laughably, they seem to confuse temperature with heat! A quick review of simple combustion science would have cleared that right up, but hey, we don't want to confuse things by USING SCIENTIFIC BASICS now would we? None of them know the difference bewteen a jet burner, a pre-mixed flame, and a diffuse flame!
http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/WTC-asce.pdf
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/jom...agar-0112.html
Here's one with pretty pictures for you youtube scientists; be sure to read the part "buildings DON'T tumble!"
http://eagar.mit.edu/EagarPresentati...C_TMS_2002.pdf
The science of progressive collapse (note that such is MANDATED in building design).
http://www.appliedscienceint.com/Ser...llapseAnalysis
Progressive collapse and the WTC;
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/pe...Papers/466.pdf
Of course, I don't particularly expect much. As I said, all been done before.
Though I would urge you to get your science from actual peer reviewed science white papers. Not youtube. As you can see (if you read... as I said not expected, tried this already), most of the conclusions from the "expert" testimony on youtube is pretty far off the mark.Last edited by scrogdog; 09-27-2012 at 01:36 PM.
"Social networking" is an oxymoron.
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09-27-2012, 01:31 PM #28
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So if the scientists that did the peer review were videoed and put on Youtube they too would become “Youtube experts”? You better not record them giving their estimations. Someone might put that footage on Youtube and trash them. “White paper” is far more impressive.
I think what is laughable is when people put down Youtube like it is a whacked out conspiracy organization.
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09-27-2012, 01:40 PM #29
No, I'm saying that valid science is a methodology not found on youtube. Science makes its reports with scientific white papers. So, if a valid piece of science is found on youtube, it would already have been published as a peer reviewed white paper.
Have you ever read the scientific method? Wait, what am saying, of course you haven't to make such a post. The scientific method REQUIRES peer review.
Any idiot can make and post a youtube video. There are no standards or review whatsoever."Social networking" is an oxymoron.
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09-27-2012, 01:53 PM #30
Can we say that we can plainly see yet another trait of conspiracy theorists right before our eyes?
Facts and science be damned, just give me agenda baby!"Social networking" is an oxymoron.
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09-27-2012, 02:17 PM #31
Last edited by tedkidd; 09-27-2012 at 02:39 PM.
Which makes more sense to you?
CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%
DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!
Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.
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09-27-2012, 03:59 PM #32
See what I mean? Reading the articles would have shown that there was no other way for the collapse to occur. Did you read any of it?
No. Just like last time and just as I predicted. You people are not interested in knowing what happened at all!
Once a CT makes up their mind, there is little use for additional conversation as I've said. It's all about agenda and what fuels it. Not facts.
Building most certainly DO fall straight down. It's called inertia. You know, laws of physics and all that?"Social networking" is an oxymoron.
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09-27-2012, 03:59 PM #33
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09-27-2012, 06:48 PM #34
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So why would a demolition crew spend weeks placing charges in specific locations around a building? It is going to fall straight down regardless of where they place them, right? Why demo the middle first, it will fall straight down …its called inertia. Boy, you should head up a demo crew. You could save them a lot of money.
Some people believe in science, some in God and others in common sense.
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09-27-2012, 07:32 PM #35
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If indeed a bui8lding would fall straight down on its own... without careful 'nudging'... then there would be NO controlled demolition industry. Since there is... then buildings do not fall as they should.
Regardless... there is still those little puffs of dust and Dan Rather saying on national news something like: Gee, that looks like one of those controlled demolition things.
Still too many un-answered questions. If the govt had nothing to hide... why are they silent?GA-HVAC-Tech
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09-27-2012, 08:32 PM #36Which makes more sense to you?
CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%
DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!
Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.
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09-27-2012, 09:22 PM #37
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09-27-2012, 09:43 PM #38So long as the people do not care to exercise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so; for tyrants are active and ardent, and will devote themselves in the name of any number of gods, religious and otherwise, to put shackles upon sleeping men — Voltaire
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09-28-2012, 03:44 AM #39
You guys who are obsessed with "Peer Review" crack me up. There are peer reviewed articles on how great Fluoride is for you and its now proven to mess you up and lower your IQ. There are peer reviewed articles on the benefits of genetically modified food that is now proven to REALLY mess you up and give you cancer. There are peer reviewed articles on bloodletting which is now considered ludicrous. There are probably peer reviewed articles on cutting holes in peoples heads to let the demons out LOL. Screw your peer review. Your experts claimed its impossible to cut steel horizontally or vertically with thermetic material, the video I posted clearly squashes that statement. Why don't you debate any specific points in my original post? There's a list there. Lets see what you come up with
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