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  1. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    Take asleep breath, it's all fixable.

    Smaller units w/b ideal.
    We currently can't afford to replace our units again. I mean it's not something that we will have done right away.

  2. #93
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    A lot of our neighbors around here have oversized systems as well.

  3. #94
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    Yeah. I have a client in Baltimore, replaced his 120,000/4ton with 60,000/2ton, his energy billis 60% that of his neighbors. Unit dehumidifies so well he sets his stat at 76, lower is too cold.

    Might have some weight for getting your installers to put in smaller units.
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

  4. #95
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    Yeah. I have a client in Baltimore, replaced his 120,000/4ton with 60,000/2ton, his energy billis 60% that of his neighbors. Unit dehumidifies so well he sets his stat at 76, lower is too cold.

    Might have some weight for getting your installers to put in smaller units.
    Wow that's impressive. I'm surprised that none of the companies around here mentioned smaller units. I live right outside of Atlanta GA so our summers are pretty hot.

  5. #96
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    When it's not that hot outside our upstairs unit has 5 minute cycles. That's seems VERY short! I don't get why companies around here always install oversized systems. Could it be the location of where I live?

  6. #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    Yeah. I have a client in Baltimore, replaced his 120,000/4ton with 60,000/2ton, his energy billis 60% that of his neighbors. Unit dehumidifies so well he sets his stat at 76, lower is too cold.

    Might have some weight for getting your installers to put in smaller units.
    How big was the client's house?

  7. #98
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    4000 sf "rancher" with a sun room addition - all windows and 4 skylights.

    Heres another thread you might find helpful.

    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....is-Down-For-Me
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 545GAlady View Post
    When it's not that hot outside our upstairs unit has 5 minute cycles. That's seems VERY short! I don't get why companies around here always install oversized systems. Could it be the location of where I live?
    Can charge more because it's bigger.
    We really need change now

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    Quote Originally Posted by tedkidd View Post
    4000 sf "rancher" with a sun room addition - all windows and 4 skylights.

    Heres another thread you might find helpful.

    http://hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthread....is-Down-For-Me
    Oh ok. Thanks!

  10. #101
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    As I'm about to go to sleep, what size do you think will be best for the main level? I was guessing a 2.5 ton and maybe a 60,000 BTU furnace. That thread you linked seemed very helpful.

  11. #102
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    Quote Originally Posted by catmanacman View Post
    Can charge more because it's bigger.
    .and homeowners want their equipment to NOT run, and they want to use crazy setback, expecting 4 minute recovery, there are a litany of corrupting influences leading to bad design decisions.

    Hvac guys can't afford to educate homeowners (or even their salespeople), or put up with non revenue generating complaints on really hot days. It's feast then famine, hay needs to be made while the sun shines. The homeowner bears ultimate responsibility for shortcuts when low price is king and diagnostics and design are cut out of the process.

    Spread the word and maybe things can change.
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

  12. #103
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    We never have a problem with humidity. Humidity is never high in our house.

  13. #104
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    What temperature settings do you keep the house at?
    Which makes more sense to you?
    CONSERVATION - turning your thermostat back and being uncomfortable. Maybe saving 5-10%
    ENERGY EFFICIENCY - leaving your thermostat where everyone is comfortable. Saving 30-70%

    DO THE NUMBERS! Step on a HOMESCALE.
    What is comfort? Well, it AIN'T just TEMPERATURE!

    Energy Obese? An audit is the next step - go to BPI.org, or RESNET, and find an auditor near you.

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