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  1. #40
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    you have to step back and think you may have some exp. with said tools & techniques so you may be a leg up from 1 or 2 class mates though a good instructer will pick up on that and take you to the next step you will learn if you have the right attitude

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    It is funny to read what people say on these things... you can read one thread that does nothing but bash trade schools and then you can read another where everyone insists that you should pay for and attend a remedial class called 'introduction to hvac'. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that this course will be a waste of time, for someone who has ANY experience in the field. These courses are always at the beginning of trade programs they are to teach basic math (+,-,/,x) and fractions. They teach you how to use a drill and tape measure and basic safety. These courses are for people who have NO mechanical experience and don't know what the trade is about. They teach the histroy of HVAC and career oportunites. I have taught these courses and they are very necissary for some students. Many students don't know how to use a wrench or tighten the chuck on a drill.. it sounds funny but it is true. Also many students don't know what an air conditioner is (again sad but true) These courses are often offered becasue of liablity purposes. How long is the course? How long have you been in the field? You have almost certainly covered the majority of the course material simply by having been in the field for a short time. Not to say that there aren't details that you could pick up, but is it worth your time and money? I don't feel that you are being cocky at all by asking if this would be to remedial... it likely is. You are simply asking if your time and effort could be put to better use in a different class... it likely can be. The brazing and soldering that you will learn will be basic/remedial. again there may be details but becasue you are already familiar with the process you can pick up on these details by reading a book/chapter on brazing techniques. The instructor will likely be busy with students who can't do division or read a tape measure or are scared to light a torch. Educationis crucial but directing your efforts in the right direction is crucial as well. I feel like these guys have jumped down your throat unfairly. You are familiar with the industry and have some job experience and resources in the field. I would look into a course that will be more challenging and will better reward your time, money and effort. Again this is just my opinion. It is dubious that anything you learn in the area of brazing will be advanced enough to save you from a failed 90 joint on a discharge line that held pressure and made it down to 500 microns. I could be wrong, but i'm not. Good luck!

  3. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by ADillon View Post
    It is funny to read what people say on these things... you can read one thread that does nothing but bash trade schools and then you can read another where everyone insists that you should pay for and attend a remedial class called 'introduction to hvac'. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Mine is that this course will be a waste of time, for someone who has ANY experience in the field. These courses are always at the beginning of trade programs they are to teach basic math (+,-,/,x) and fractions. They teach you how to use a drill and tape measure and basic safety. These courses are for people who have NO mechanical experience and don't know what the trade is about. They teach the histroy of HVAC and career oportunites. I have taught these courses and they are very necissary for some students. Many students don't know how to use a wrench or tighten the chuck on a drill.. it sounds funny but it is true. Also many students don't know what an air conditioner is (again sad but true) These courses are often offered becasue of liablity purposes. How long is the course? How long have you been in the field? You have almost certainly covered the majority of the course material simply by having been in the field for a short time. Not to say that there aren't details that you could pick up, but is it worth your time and money? I don't feel that you are being cocky at all by asking if this would be to remedial... it likely is. You are simply asking if your time and effort could be put to better use in a different class... it likely can be. The brazing and soldering that you will learn will be basic/remedial. again there may be details but becasue you are already familiar with the process you can pick up on these details by reading a book/chapter on brazing techniques. The instructor will likely be busy with students who can't do division or read a tape measure or are scared to light a torch. Educationis crucial but directing your efforts in the right direction is crucial as well. I feel like these guys have jumped down your throat unfairly. You are familiar with the industry and have some job experience and resources in the field. I would look into a course that will be more challenging and will better reward your time, money and effort. Again this is just my opinion. It is dubious that anything you learn in the area of brazing will be advanced enough to save you from a failed 90 joint on a discharge line that held pressure and made it down to 500 microns. I could be wrong, but i'm not. Good luck!

    Haha. Thanks for a great reply. Yea I don't think this course will go that far in depth. Thanks buddy

  4. #43
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    ADILLON

    i think what guys are saying is

    all school is good
    reading is good
    training is good


    since most guys start out at $10 an hour out of school doing installs
    maybe a $50k tech school is not a good investment?

    maybe local community college and or some RSES classes would be money better spent?

    that said, if you are in school for 2 years and still cant get hvac work, keep going to school!

    if you have a little bit of school and land a good hvac job, that job will teach you more than most tech schools and save you some money?

    I always bust up laughing when a guy even mentions having a degree in HVAC!
    that and a couple bucks will get you a bowl of soup!!!!!!!!!1 LMAO!!!!!!!
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  5. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by supertek65 View Post
    ADILLON

    i think what guys are saying is

    all school is good
    reading is good
    training is good


    since most guys start out at $10 an hour out of school doing installs
    maybe a $50k tech school is not a good investment?

    maybe local community college and or some RSES classes would be money better spent?

    that said, if you are in school for 2 years and still cant get hvac work, keep going to school!

    if you have a little bit of school and land a good hvac job, that job will teach you more than most tech schools and save you some money?

    I always bust up laughing when a guy even mentions having a degree in HVAC!
    that and a couple bucks will get you a bowl of soup!!!!!!!!!1 LMAO!!!!!!!
    Since its slow right now were doing alot more install work. I was on three furnace installs last week, and on Monday were installing a 90+ furnace and a boiler. I have a HVAC class starting soon ,but I really need to start taking advantage of those RSES classes. I just felt like posting here tonight.

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    That made my day.. been a long time since I've heard/seen BONE HEAD lmao. I don't know why but just hilarious.. been laughing past 5 min

  7. #46
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    They are right, get as much info as possible even if it seems elementary. Take classes,get certs, and free classes at supply houses.

  8. #47
    Personally I went to a trade school for a year, it only cost me 2 grand that I got back with taxes and they had us draw wiring diagrams/schematics, wire circuits, teach us the physics behind everything, broke down gas and oil furnaces and boilers along with air conditioners, had us install equipment in the class room and got a bunch of certifications out of it including epa with no extra charges

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    Geeze Frankie maybe have a little less gruppy in that coffee haha. Just kidding brother.


    I think he was just asking is if the class is worth it. Its good to ask about the different classes and schools out there to make sure youre not ending up somewhere the instructor just tells you to read while he plays angry birds. But do try to go to as many things as you can especially if theyre free and even more so if theres free food. Even if you walk out learning one thing new it was still worth it.
    Get money, get paid.

  10. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by RayD8630 View Post
    Geeze Frankie maybe have a little less gruppy in that coffee haha. Just kidding brother.


    I think he was just asking is if the class is worth it. Its good to ask about the different classes and schools out there to make sure youre not ending up somewhere the instructor just tells you to read while he plays angry birds. But do try to go to as many things as you can especially if theyre free and even more so if theres free food. Even if you walk out learning one thing new it was still worth it.
    Thanks man, right on, great reply! You read my mind.

  11. #50
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    you are just gruppy cus you got to live in the same country as doug!!!!!!



    Quote Originally Posted by RayD8630 View Post
    Geeze Frankie maybe have a little less gruppy in that coffee haha. Just kidding brother.


    I think he was just asking is if the class is worth it. Its good to ask about the different classes and schools out there to make sure youre not ending up somewhere the instructor just tells you to read while he plays angry birds. But do try to go to as many things as you can especially if theyre free and even more so if theres free food. Even if you walk out learning one thing new it was still worth it.
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

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