The virgin Jesus

[chaard]

He isn't the one with the need.

Good answer. A lot nicer than mine.

[chaard]

There is no factual basis for anything along spiritual matters. It is all a matter of opinion...and that is mine.

Spiritual matter, matter of opinion, matter of fact
Then why does anything matter?

[glennac]

If Jesus was born where he was then he was a Semite (Arab), so he most likely looked like this...

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Roy

Funny roy, you picked the dumbest & ugliest looking Arab you could find to depict Jesus. Typical of your "spins" lately. Surprised you didn't pick the devil to portray Jesus. Thank you very much

[ironpit]

There is no factual basis for anything along spiritual matters. It is all a matter of opinion...and that is mine.

This statement, as well as many others of yours do not qualify as intelligent, informed statements. There is an assumption that "spiritual matters" are non-existent, with no definition of what spiritual matters are.

We cannot accept the vague but general assumption of definition of "spiritual matters "as being valid as we have no evidence of the existence of what we consider "Spiritual matters".

If we do accept such loose definition of "spiritual matters" we have in effect, given meaning to something that we consider does not exist.

Which is lunacy.

The fact is, there are known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown knowns. And even the things we think we know, may be falsely known.

Not knowing what we don't know, how do we know that WE aren't the ones constituting "Spiritual Matters", If such a thing as spiritual matters actually exist . Which according to some people don't, which in effect make US, null and void.

In other words. We don't exist.

Dude, taking your logic to the end, leads to nowhere, if it exists.

Take a bow Tommy Roe!

[ironpit]

Brian, the first statement I made in post 108 was really meant for another person on here that I find as "willfully misleading". In fact as I think of it, most the post is probably more applicable to him than anyone else, if in principle, if nothing else. I don't find fault of motive with you, as I do with him. You seem to be at least honest in intent. T man is something else.

[corny]

I dont know anyone who I believe is going to make it to heaven...... probably including me..... and thats based upon how I believe a christian should act.

And its the simple things that are going to be blocking our way..... lack of compassion......hate......greed.....

[ironpit]

I dont know anyone who I believe is going to make it to heaven...... probably including me..... and thats based upon how I believe a christian should act.

And its the simple things that are going to be blocking our way..... lack of compassion......hate......greed.....

While we were yet in our sins, (means that as the world was going about in it's sinful pleasure and activities), yet He died FOR US. He stayed the course, He looked around and saw all the activities, every minute of every day, and completed the work given to Him, namely He died for us. To give us justification and eternal life.

Before the foundations of the world, before He formed us in the womb. He knew us and determined to redeem us. As many as WILL can come and drink of the waters of LIFE.
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If a man could enter Heaven by his work, he would spend eternity boasting of it. That would then not be anyone else's heaven.

Therefore, it is by faith and not by works, lest any man should boast.

If you gave gifts to your children out of no other reason but that You loved Them, would you want them to go around boasting about how they earned it?

Guarantee you if they did, their boasting would be centered on themselves and they would not appreciate the the gift, let alone the meaning of it, as a GIFT, unearned, from someone who loved them.

Heaven is free. But you have to believe it to receive it.

[hkempf]

Jesus was a man, god in the flesh, with all the same temptations you and me have, sent here and proving to us that a man can live without sin

[mcjo tech]

Jesus was a man, god in the flesh, with all the same temptations you and me have, sent here and proving to us that a man can live without sin

I would be the first to admit that I am not an overly religious person.

But this post is so simple and wise in some profound way that it is hard for even me to ignore.

[ironpit]

I would be the first to admit that I am not an overly religious person.

But this post is so simple and wise in some profound way that it is hard for even me to ignore.

wisdom usually is simple. It is the best way to hide it from the arrogant and boastful.
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, God has ordained wisdom.

Feel free to hammer away, after all it is ARP(Arguing Real Points)

[mcjo tech]

wisdom usually is simple. It is the best way to hide it from the arrogant and boastful.
Out of the mouth of babes and sucklings, God has ordained wisdom.

Feel free to hammer away, after all it is ARP(Arguing Real Points)

Believe it or not I have experienced the grace of God

Dispite my own stubborness and arrogance.

[RoBoTeq]

In Isaiah it mentions his beard. The bible also talks about him moving effortlessly and unseen the the croeds.

Also Judas's kiss to identify him to the Praetorian Guards.

Yes its between the lines but none the less is a reference that he looked like your average 30 year old Jew of that time


And he would have most likely have had short hair.

I hope you do realize that Isaiah was written before the man Jesus was born, so there is no way that anything in Isaiah could be refering to the physical attributes of Jesus.

Judas's kiss to identify says nothing about Jesus's physical appearance, but actually supports that Jesus looked no different than other Jews of His time. Otherwise, Judas could have just told the Romans what Jesus looked like.

[syndicated]

I'm curious, how do you Christians reconcile your beliefs and delusions with faiths not based upon the judeo-Christian template, like Hinduism, or buddhism? Are the billion and a half people that follow these faiths apostates? idolaters? blasphemers? Even more delusional than Christians?
You put all this blind faith in your bible, yet hours ago you say it's been plagiarized by man. Now I know for a fact that nothing even close to modern English existed 2000 years ago. I believe people in that area spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Then the bible was translated to Greek, then Latin, then through other languages as Christianity spread, finally landing on olde English. Then there's the different versions. Things get lost in translation, lost in interpretation, lost in time.
Yet you preach this book as truth, and when challenged on it's accuracy and facts you can only offer more lines from the same book.
It's a self-reinforcing prophetic delusion on a scale never to be repeated!!

My third issue with the points made so far is this whole free will thing.
If the Jesus fish and god gave us freewill, then why all the temptation?
If god have us freewill then do Christians seek to limit it?? Abortion or homosexuality for example.
If you're a good Christian, then what others do isn't your problem, since you're going to heaven anyway!
Why do you seek to meddle in the affairs of others??

Live and let live!

The whole religion is one giant pile of doublespeak and contradictions.