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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    So it might be better to not know and get in through the back door.
    I guess if there was one that would be okay, except that Jesus said that He was the door and that only by Him men would enter in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpit View Post
    I guess if there was one that would be okay, except that Jesus said that He was the door and that only by Him men would enter in.
    So that means that all those poor souls that lived in lands other than the ME and Europe from the time of Jesus till the good book made it to their shores are damned due to no fault of their own. Sorry, mine is a merciful God, you can keep yours.
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpit View Post
    ... Jesus said that He was the door and that only by Him men would enter in.
    I realize Christians make that claim but I don’t believe it. It is too self centered and egotistic for someone as selfless as Jesus. I understand it to be “only through my message of unconditional love and living by the golden rule will you get closer to heaven.”

    More than likely we will have a few more incarnations before we see heaven, but just dying is heaven compared to here. We like instant gratification but we have been doing this for LONG time and there are no magical E-tickets to heaven, regardless of what Christianity or other religions promise thier followers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    By saying “He died for our sins” doesn’t explain it or make it so, regardless of how many people repeat it.

    If God made man with his “sinful” nature, spiritual ignorance and tendency to believe and follow corrupt men then why is He blaming us for the way He made us? If he wanted us to be without “sin” He could have made us that way with a snap of His finger.

    A soldier’s sacrifice of dying for our freedom, as seldom as that is, is far more comprehendible than Jesus dying for our sins. Maybe you can be the one that explains why the physical torment of crucifixion that Jesus chose eradicates the responsibility of the sinful nature of man? What does one have to do with the other?
    You kind of miss the whole point that God gives us freedom of choice, even if Democrats do constantly do things to take choice away from us with laws, regulations and socialist programming.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Goverments dont kill anyone.....

    People do.


    "I just followed orders", doesnt work either.

    But it seems even in our goverment they seem to think that following orders is a good exuse for torturing people.

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    Governments "ARE" people. Usually the worst of the lot, which is why they need to be monitored and restricted.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Robo there were descriptions of Jesus in the bible.

    It can be assumed that he wasn't nessecarily distinctive in his appearance as the bible talks about him easily blending into to crowds
    What physical descriptions of Jesus are in the bible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    I would vote for this to be a good depection of Jesus. Thank you very much

    There's not a shot in hell that the man Jesus looked like this. More than likely, Jesus would have looked more like this portrait of Him that I have in my home;
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    There are no physical descriptions of anyone in t
    he bible...... they are all symbolic
    descriptions of WHO the person was or of their spiritual being or nature.

    Tiberius letter...... its a fake..... No, it hasnt been proven without a doubt its a fake but the writing style and the language are a lot different than what was used when Jesus died.

    There are several other fake letters out there too.

    144,000 virgins.......in revelations........revelations.... the mother of symbolism...... think...spiritually virgin..... they had not succumbed to the world around them and all its sin and evilness....

    Do you folks even study the bible.... or do you just keep a copy on your dash like the rednecks around here do.....collecting a ton of dust...

    YE SHALL PAY DEARYE FOR YE SLOTHFULLNESSYE........
    Corny I posted a couple of entries out of thr bible that clearly referenced a physical description of Jesus. One was direct and the other needed just a bit of effort mentally.

    The legitimacy of that letter isn't your call. You realize that right ?

    Let the Historians and archeologist make the call.

    Your criticisms of other Christians over their apparent lack of faith or your perception of their lack of faith just gives ammunition to the atheist.

    They see a judgmental poster who thinks Christianity is a populafity contest. A foot race to the end of the bible with medals for the best Christians to be handed out.

    If you think that salvation has one upped you or your level of worship has endeared you to the almighty to the point of having bragging rights then you have completely missed the point of Grace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    There's not a shot in hell that the man Jesus looked like this. More than likely, Jesus would have looked more like this portrait of Him that I have in my home;
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    In Isaiah it mentions his beard. The bible also talks about him moving effortlessly and unseen the the croeds.

    Also Judas's kiss to identify him to the Praetorian Guards.

    Yes its between the lines but none the less is a reference that he looked like your average 30 year old Jew of that time


    And he would have most likely have had short hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    There's not a shot in hell that the man Jesus looked like this. More than likely, Jesus would have looked more like this portrait of Him that I have in my home;
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    Who would have thought Jesus reincarnated himself as Carlos Santana

    He sure can play a mean guitar.



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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    You kind of miss the whole point that God gives us freedom of choice, even if Democrats do constantly do things to take choice away from us with laws, regulations and socialist programming.
    And you missed my question.

    It is obvious we have freedom of choice and that God gave it to us. That is my point. Why did God give us freedom to sin that He now condemns us for? And what is the connection between being tortured to death on a cross and how that unravels God’s decision to let us sin?

    It is perfectly natural for us to sin. How can God design us to sin and condemn us for sinning at the same time? God is painted as a very confused and misdirected Force…which I do not believe It is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Corny I posted a couple of entries out of thr bible that clearly referenced a physical description of Jesus. One was direct and the other needed just a bit of effort mentally.

    The legitimacy of that letter isn't your call. You realize that right ?

    Let the Historians and archeologist make the call.

    Your criticisms of other Christians over their apparent lack of faith or your perception of their lack of faith just gives ammunition to the atheist.

    They see a judgmental poster who thinks Christianity is a populafity contest. A foot race to the end of the bible with medals for the best Christians to be handed out.

    If you think that salvation has one upped you or your level of worship has endeared you to the almighty to the point of having bragging rights then you have completely missed the point of Grace.
    If you understand how the bible is written then you should understand that everything in it has a deeper meaning. Yes, Jesus was a plain looking man.... but thats what those descriptions are saying about him....

    As far as the letter from tiberius and the other letters that are out there....... historians pretty much agree that those letters are forgeries and they have based it on the way they were written and the language and grammar etc.... that they contain.

    I actually dont think that you even need to pick up a bible to enter heaven..... but... if you are going to comment on it.... you should at least know what you are talking about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpit View Post
    There are times we do not lean on our own understanding. We simply trust and obey.
    Would that not hold true for those born into Islam, they simply trust and obey.

    Roy
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