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09-21-2012, 12:07 AM #1
The virgin Jesus
So was he or was he not? Would be odd running around as a teenager not noticing the opposite sex and as a man not wanting female company. There is now a report of fourth century papyrus saying he had a wife. So the big question is, was Jesus getting any, married or not?
AT an academic conference in Rome on Tuesday, Karen L. King, a church historian at Harvard Divinity School, presented a finding that, according to some reports, threatened to overturn what we know about Jesus, as well as the tradition of priestly celibacy. She identified a small fragment of fourth-century papyrus that includes the words, Jesus said to them, My wife... Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. Mark Twain
09-21-2012, 07:42 AM #2
Being the lib that you are, I thought you were going to say Jesus was gay.
Sure Jesus may have been married...maybe it was to Mary of Magdala?"If anybody can draw on the power, where do we put the meter?" - JP Morgan before pulling Tesla funding
09-21-2012, 08:18 AM #3
This thread is gonna be awesome....
09-21-2012, 09:14 AM #4
A little research will show that 'Jesus' was actually a pretty common name back then. Because an understanding of the time had many believing Messiah was coming and that it would be through a virgin girl, it wasn't at all unusual for a woman who couldn't keep her skirt down to try to dodge the penalty for adultery by saying she was carrying The One and name him accordingly.
As for Jesus Himself marrying, he couldn't, for it would bring up too many questions, including the circumstances behind getting married and any offspring. The Old Testament clearly states that He would be cut off before having any children. Paul states that it is better not to marry because one's focus could be entirely devoted to God's work without distraction, a principle garnered no doubt from following the life of Christ.
Paul also pointed out that a demand for celebacy was the mark of an apostate church, noting the marraige bed was as holy as Christ's preisthood, and that regular intimacy between husband and wife was a safeguard for the marriage, to be stopped only for short periods of fasting and prayer.
A cursory look at any of this type of scholarship only shows the underlying motive--to denegrate and delegitimize Scripture and to find any excuse possible to reject the One who paid the price for sin once and for all. It is the motive behind sending every space probe to grope and prod every corner of the galaxy, in the hopes of finding an errant microbe to "prove" evolutionary life exists apart from earth and thus Creation by a Divine Being is not. The sad thing is that...here and now or there and then...every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord of all, some to their eternal joy, the rest to their eternal damnation.
...just sayin'...But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.---Psalm 50:16-17
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09-21-2012, 10:46 AM #7
So what else is new.
I mean we all know the damage that the Christians are doing around the world destroying embassies, throwing rocks at riot police and killing ambassadors.
09-21-2012, 11:03 AM #8
But liberals do their best to malign the name of Jesus and show the rest of the world their intollerance towards people that dont think the same way as they do, even to the point of allying themselves with the Muslims.
I saw a bunch of LGBT protestors chanting "support the Intifada " while carrying nonsensic signs and supporting Obama.
Are they really THAT stupid ? I'll just say yes to that and chalk it up to the yet to be discovered virus that camps out inside every liberals brain that after its 3 second period of gestation immediately lowers their I.Q. by 50 points.
09-21-2012, 11:56 AM #9
As for feeling one up on my neighbor...chances are pretty good that, if I do feel one up on thy neighbor because of my faith, then I don't have The Gospel in my heart, but a rather cheap imitation meant to make me feel good. My Bible tells me to see others as better than me...an attitude that keeps me from standing outside of state capitol buildings, burning American flags, holding up John 3:16 signs and shouting "Jesus is Lord."But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.---Psalm 50:16-17
09-21-2012, 05:29 PM #10
Note to the author of the OP. If you want to start a contentious flame bait thread post it on Monday morning, not Friday.
AC techs are usually dead tired by Friday and mad at the world on Monday morning.
09-21-2012, 07:21 PM #11"I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them."
09-21-2012, 10:19 PM #12
Thank you for the well versed reply. I never thought of it from the angle of a person selling themselves as a prophet and them needing to be celibate. I knew others at the time were also running around claiming to be prophets, I thought that celibacy came about afterward in response to Jesus's life, and not that it was widely done. Mind you if you think about it as many people believing the Apocalypse was imminent then going the celebrate route is not a big sacrifice.
When I started to think about this after reading the article I thought of Jesus growing up as any boy and the stages and desires that take one into manhood. I am assuming Jesus had a normal life where he developed as any other child would learning, growing, and maturing as any other human being would. I was just curious how normal a life he had.
Sorry to offend you there Glenn, I'll try to do better next time. Maybe start a thread about music.Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. Mark Twain
09-22-2012, 12:00 AM #13
You're welcome printer...I wish more folks could just stop and truly think about what they believe. That Jesus was the sinless, holy Son of God who came to walk among us as one of us has some serious points to ponder. Which is easier to believe...He walked on water or walked on by the local hottie in high school without a sinful thought overtaking him? Remember, the Scriptures say that He was tempted in every way as we are yet was without sin...so He had to do both, or He was no better than the rest of us, making His death on the cross utterly pointless.
Alas, sigh, groan...these are the discussions I miss from Bible college... :-)But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee.---Psalm 50:16-17