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  1. #27
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    Originally posted by Lusker

    There are people here that are cross trained in more arts than sniffing refrigerant.

    ya know, huffing juice ain't no hack art or something. It takes a special skill to bring yourself within a .25 oz from flatlining and to crave more after you wake up from your nap ( not that I know from personal exp. or anything but I hear others brag about it ).

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    Originally posted by orlandotech
    Originally posted by Lusker

    There are people here that are cross trained in more arts than sniffing refrigerant.

    ya know, huffing juice ain't no hack art or something. It takes a special skill to bring yourself within a .25 oz from flatlining and to crave more after you wake up from your nap ( not that I know from personal exp. or anything but I hear others brag about it ).
    I say let them sniff phosgene and see if they wake up. I've been dead... it sucked



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    Originally posted by Lusker
    Originally posted by orlandotech
    Originally posted by Lusker

    There are people here that are cross trained in more arts than sniffing refrigerant.

    ya know, huffing juice ain't no hack art or something. It takes a special skill to bring yourself within a .25 oz from flatlining and to crave more after you wake up from your nap ( not that I know from personal exp. or anything but I hear others brag about it ).
    I say let them sniff phosgene and see if they wake up. I've been dead... it sucked


    seriously? so how did you kill yourself w/ phosgene? man I remember one time I was installing two Liebert datamates in a LAN room ( wall mounts ) and I thought I had accidently crossed the liq. lines up so I proceeded to unsweat the liq. line at one of the units in the room to pressure test it. as soon as I opened it up I got the sweet smell of phosgene ( must of had residual 22 flashing off after I recovered it ). burnt the sh*t out of my throat and lungs. thought I was going to die for a sec. I only caught a partial breath of it but the room door was closed so it kinda stayed in there until I could get out and leave the door open.

    I heard a story once about a freind who was a tech. he was called out to a cust. house for a no cool. got there and found unit low on freon. two or three days later, same call at same house. talked to cust about possible leak but he was suspicious for some reason ( maybe how quick it leaked all of the sudden ). he topped it off and either decided to show up the next morn. or he needed to for some reason.He went to the CU before he knocked on the door and noticed a charging hose hooked up to the suction port. followed it to the son's bedroom window.he saw he had a blowgun or some other type of momentary valve on the end of the hose. so I guess someone was grounded after "mom" found out about "juniors" little addiction.

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    Phosgene

    Following on the heels of chlorine gas came the use of phosgene. Phosgene as a weapon was more potent than chlorine in that while the latter was potentially deadly it caused the victim to violently cough and choke.

    Phosgene caused much less coughing with the result that more of it was inhaled; it was consequently adopted by both German and Allied armies. Phosgene often had a delayed effect; apparently healthy soldiers were taken down with phosgene gas poisoning up to 48 hours after inhalation.

    The so-called "white star" mixture of phosgene and chlorine was commonly used on the Somme: the chlorine content supplied the necessary vapour with which to carry the phosgene

    http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/gas.htm

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    Blue Cross Gases
    Blue Cross consists of the gases which block the respiratory system by neutralizing the oxygen-carrying capacity of the blood. Gases like arsine, cyanogen chloride, cyanide, and carbon monoxide are all Blue Cross gases. They interfere with the up-take of oxygen by the hemoglobin of the red blood cells by causing a form of "physiological suffocation." The poisonous chemicals form a molecular attachment or bond at the site on the hemoglobin molecule where oxygen is carried. Death is inevitable when oxygen can no longer reach the cells. The victim may grasp for air and inhale it, but the cells will not receive the oxygen. The victim soon dies.
    The bonding of the gas with red blood cells is irreversible. Patients would have to be brought out of contact with the gas immediately. The patients will not show an unhealthy pallid color. The blood of the victims is a bright, almost cherry red color even though poisonous chemicals, not oxygen, are bonded to the hemoglobin molecule. In the battlefield the gases would rapidly disperse and last shortly, mainly due to low densities.

    http://www.geocities.com/pentagon/28...bluecross.html
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    Phosgene was labeled as Blue Cross Gas

    Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it??




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    Originally posted by Lusker


    Makes you feel all warm and fuzzy inside doesn't it??



    yeah it makes me feel real good to know that my tax dollars are spent on this kind of stuff but in today's world, its a real necessity. I thank you for the history lesson on phosgene and chlorine gas. so, how was it that you died from it if you dont mind me asking? talking about it here would lead me to believe it was HVAC related. If you don't want to share that's cool. I'll understand.

    [Edited by orlandotech on 10-08-2006 at 08:19 PM]

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    Years after my phosgene accident that caused my heart problems I died silly enough during a test at the hospital. I remember seeing them work on me from above... the next thing I remember I woke up 3 days later. Kidneys and liver had shut down with an enlarged heart. I'm on my second pacemaker now.

    There's a lot more to it but not here.

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    Well

    Still can't find the proper wiring diagram. I'm going to have no choice but to turn it over to "you know who" by the end of the week.


    I just hate that.


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    No luck here. Like pulling teeth without painkillers.
    I love my job, but paydays Thursday

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    WOW,

    I guess it pays to have freinds with some pull.

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    Does that mean you don't need this forum anymore?
    I love my job, but paydays Thursday

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    Originally posted by rich pickering
    Does that mean you don't need this forum anymore?
    LOL...
    Perhaps you should have read the instructions before calling.

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