The war on drugs is working perfectly!

[tedkidd]

Very funny teddy, I guess the loss of an average of 8 IQ points by teenagers who smoke pot means nothing to you and should not be brought up in the debate on legalizing pot.

Perhaps we should only bring up your "points" promoting pot use? That is the question.

The study also showed that if you never smoked pot your IQ actually raised one point. That would be me thank you. Sorry I can't agree with you here. Thank you very much

LOL. Hey, it stopped raining! Think teenage IQ's are going up?

Glenn, I don't know the correlation between legalization and habitual teenage pot smoking, but I suspect you don't either. I think you looked at a study and jumped to some pretty long conclusions. How do you know that if pot weren't legalized, habitual teenage smoking wouldn't go DOWN?

Good thing you never smoked pot buddy! Just kidding....

[Six]

Read it Elf. Read it and similar articles on portugal before my first post.

How is it relevant ?

And its not hypocritical to use decades of international law to rebut conspiracy.

[Elfshadow]

Read it Elf. Read it and similar articles on portugal before my first post.

How is it relevant ?

And its not hypocritical to use decades of international law to rebut conspiracy.

Yet you dismiss the same reasoning when talking about healthcare welfare and all the other social programs.

Lets see, nation decriminalized all drugs, treated as a healthcare problem, problem decreased by 50%. Funny, I think that's pretty similar to what happened when prohibition ended as well. I really don't see how you can just dismiss data, when you have the exact same data popping up again and again. It's like democrats being told that welfare promotes poverty, and them sitting there dismissing 40+ years of evidence of world history showing just that after the "war on poverty" started.

[hearthman]

To re-iterate, Uncle Milty and I are saying that in a perfect model, legalization of dope works only with rigorous enforcement of responsibility. That is why it will never work. The Left doesn't want anyone to be accountable for anything--just look at Obama. The buck stops with me and you he said. It is a sign of this generation: self indulgence, self pity, self righteousness, self, self, self----------except work, responsibility, respect, honor, trust, thrift, and the Boy Scout pledge.

I know a LOT of people who are on drugs but are on the wrong drugs and need to be on different drugs. Then again, some people like the entire Obama regime and Supreme Court should be on drugs if not already----------------------then they'd at least have some excuse for their insanity.

[Elfshadow]

To re-iterate, Uncle Milty and I are saying that in a perfect model, legalization of dope works only with rigorous enforcement of responsibility. That is why it will never work. The Left doesn't want anyone to be accountable for anything--just look at Obama. The buck stops with me and you he said. It is a sign of this generation: self indulgence, self pity, self righteousness, self, self, self----------except work, responsibility, respect, honor, trust, thrift, and the Boy Scout pledge.

I know a LOT of people who are on drugs but are on the wrong drugs and need to be on different drugs. Then again, some people like the entire Obama regime and Supreme Court should be on drugs if not already----------------------then they'd at least have some excuse for their insanity.

Please don't blame the current mess on my generation. We are just the ones the mess happened to fall on. This is a centuries worth of government growth, from both the left and the right. When you are willing to accept the lesser of two evils you are still getting evil.

[Southern Mech]

Very funny teddy, I guess the loss of an averag
e of 8 IQ points by teenagers who smoke pot means nothing to you and should not be brought up in the debate on legalizing pot.

Perhaps we should only bring up your "points" promoting pot use? That is the question.

The study also showed that if you never smoked pot your IQ actually raised one point. That would be me thank you. Sorry I can't agree with you here. Thank you very much

Whats the study on teenagers iq dropping when they habitually drink jack daniels starting at the age 15-38? Wheres yout stats for that one?

You are not making a good case for yourself.

[glennac]

.......Good thing you never smoked pot buddy! Just kidding....

Just wanted to clear one thing up to all concerned. I did my share of running around and drinking when I was young. I was a good old boy in Tennessee. I was born in 43 and was 18 in 1961 in Tennessee. There was no pot smoking back then and when it came in the mid 60's it was the pot smoking Yankee anti American hippies who were burning the flag.

I joined the Army and volunteered for Nam. I hated everything the hippies did, wore, etc. They smoked pot I never would and grew long hair etc. My buddies were the same way. So I was just a proud patriotic Southerner and still am. I wasn't no choir boy but I stayed clean of drugs period and still do. I'm sure glad I never did. Thank you, thank you very much

[Elfshadow]

Just wanted to clear one thing up to all concerned. I did my share of running around and drinking when I was young. I was a good old boy in Tennessee. I was born in 43 and was 18 in 1961 in Tennessee. There was no pot smoking back then and when it came in the mid 60's it was the pot smoking Yankee anti American hippies who were burning the flag.

I joined the Army and volunteered for Nam. I hated everything the hippies did, wore, etc. They smoked pot I never would and grew long hair etc. My buddies were the same way. So I was just a proud patriotic Southerner and still am. I wasn't no choir boy but I stayed clean of drugs period and still do. I'm sure glad I never did. Thank you, thank you very much

The only problem I see with this is that I don't see a single difference between drinking and drugs. They are both mind altering addictive substances with massive amounts of health issues. I do find it strange that the more that we fight against drug use the more the use proliferates. I actually wonder if we would have been such a large nation of drinkers if we had not had prohibition.

[glennac]

Whats the study on teenagers iq dropping when they habitually drink jack daniels starting at the age 15-38? Wheres yout stats for that one?

You are not making a good case for yourself.

Funny Mech, I posted a link. I guess you didn't want to read it. So I have taken a few excerpts out of it for your reading pleasure and re-posted the link in case you want to read it this time. Thank you, thank you very much

"In a study of more than 1,000 adolescents in New Zealand, those who began habitually smoking marijuana before age 18 showed an eight-point drop in IQ between the ages of 13 and 38, a considerable decline.........................Researchers tested the IQs of all of the study subjects at age 13 before any habitual marijuana use. Researchers then split the study into five “waves” during which time they assessed cannabis use — ages 18, 21, 26, 32, and 38. They again tested IQ at age 38. The authors also controlled for alcohol use, other drug use and education level....................Though the study was conducted among New Zealand young people, the findings could be extended to adolescents in the United States as well. According to statistics released in June by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, American teenagers today are more likely to be using marijuana than tobacco products. Of particular worry is the attitude that marijuana is one of the more harmless drugs.“Increasing efforts should be directed toward delaying the onset of cannabis use by young people,” writes Meier, “particularly given the recent trend of younger ages of cannabis-use initiation in the United States and evidence that fewer adolescents believe that cannabis use is associated with serious health risk.”

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2...urt-future-iq/

[Six]

Please don't blame the current mess on my generation. We are just the ones the
mess happened to fall on. This is a centuries worth of government growth, from both the left and the right. When you are willing to accept the lesser of two evils you are still getting evil.

The overwhelming support for turning a once great nation into a banana republic pseudo-socialist nightmare is absolutely indicative of the younger generations self obsession.

Obama had mass support from College aged kids. I was surprised that anyone let alone those supposedly seeking higher education and the so called intelligencia of the Universities could be so easilly led astray by media hype.

His election was bad in itself but what struck me was the number of people who chose to leave their brains at home and actually pulled the lever for a "community activist " with numerous links to some pretty nefarious characters including a racist anti semite preacher who he sat in front of for twenty years.

Yes your generation is complicit and to make matters worse so completely lacking of humility that it can't own up to its own mistakes.

A generation of people that sees no value in character, integrity, self control and who live minute by minute with only the quest of instant gratification to motivate them further.

Sure there are exceptions but when the overwhelming response to a thread on legalization is the absolute dumbest idea predicated on some goofy conspiracy theories and profit I'm left shaking my head.

This is how a nation dies. From the inside out.

[Southern Mech]

yeah, I got that. THEY ALSO CONTROLLED FOR ALCHOHOL USE... yet there is no #'s. What are those statistics. If you want to throw out studdies and statistics get them all. This is no different than troubleshooting an air conditioner and making an asumption based on just operating pressures, you must compile all the data. Am I right or wrong? Someone let me know... I have been known to smoke some of thismind altering marihuchy, guess I must have dropped down in the 29th percentile.

while we are at lets compare these
how many more deadly accidents from drinking and driving -vs- smokin pot and driving?
how many violent fights from liquor in a bar -vs- fights among a group of pot smokers
the list can go on.

My family is Irish, I have watched so much of my family tore apart and hurt from booze it's sickening.

[Tool-Slinger]

yeah, I got that. THEY ALSO CONTROLLED FOR ALCHOHOL USE... yet there is no #'s. What are those statistics. If you want to throw out studdies and statistics get them all. This is no different than troubleshooting an air conditioner and making an asumption based on just operating pressures, you must compile all the data. Am I right or wrong? Someone let me know... I have been known to smoke some of thismind altering marihuchy, guess I must have dropped down in the 29th percentile.

while we are at lets compare these
how many more deadly accidents from drinking and driving -vs- smokin pot and driving?
how many violent fights from liquor in a bar -vs- fights among a group of pot smokers
the list can go on.

My family is Irish, I have watched so much of my family tore apart and hurt from booze it's sickening.

You are Irish and you hate booze??

[glennac]

You are Irish and you hate booze??

Indians have that problem too. Saw a neat T-shirt in Cherokee, NC last weekend. My Indian name is "Crawling Drunk". LOL Thank you very much