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    Quote Originally Posted by toocoolforschool View Post
    . Besides all of that this economy has been a service economy for years, not an manufacturing economy.
    Maybe that's the point, I definatley wasn't around back then but america seemed like a better place to live for everyone when it was a manufacturing economy. Just my opnion, I wasn't around back then, but I do remember when our toy trucks went from metal Tonka toys to plastic crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hydra View Post
    I look for QUALITY and VALUE in the majority of my purchases, ...
    I do also, one thing I have learning is you get what you pay for.

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    Too many people have the harbor Freight Tools mentality and buy cheap knock-offs that MAY work OK but won't last long term. I had to buy a special suspension tool for my pickup last year. The parts guy showed me the store brand (made in China). I asked if they had a made in USA tool. They had a brand made in the US, Lisle (sp) that was all dusty. He said the store brand was 1/2 the price. I bought the good tool and it worked flawlessly. I've had Chinese stuff twist and break due to lower quality steels and heat treatments. You can make products look identical but the engineering and finishing still is not the same.

    Read a piece about some guy that bought some knockoff Callaway golf clubs and shipped them home. All of them broke. He tried to return them to Callaway for a refund and when they checked them out found the shafts were made of inferior material. The look was perfect but the quality was not.

    As a small business owner, I think corporate greed may have some part to play in sending jobs abroad but I also look at all the crap the govt. requires, especially if you are hiring people. If you are big enough and dont' have the "right" mix of ethnicities and gender, the EEOC will be looking to take you to court on behalf of some pissed off applicant. Lots of other regs that do nothing for the worker or the company that hinder job growth and creation.
    Avatar is a tribute to my Great Grandfather, Andrew Stewart. This pin was one of his advertisements for his heating and plumbing business. I never knew him but must of inherited his love of things mechanical since I am the only blue collar worker in the family

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    Remember just because it says made in USA dosen't mean here on our soil. It could be made in Phillipines or Guam or some crazy place with a USA stamp on it. I think the US car manufacturers really let the Unions own their a%%es in the early years, driving down quality and raising worker pay and benifits. Look at the port workers with their Longshoreman Unions, I've known a lot of them who get paid 10 hours and only actuaqlly are on the job for four if they are lucku, then they brag about how much easy money their are making 40 or 50 bucks an hour pl,us OT, benis out the ying yang. If you belong to a pipe fitters or refer union you know you will be getting squeezed for every ounce of work you got and then some.Unions work if they are implemented with company growth and profit plans, If the Unions are bleeding the companys' resourses to death it's a failing system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    Maybe that's the point, I definatley wasn't around back then but america seemed like a better place to live for everyone when it was a manufacturing economy. Just my opnion, I wasn't around back then, but I do remember when our toy trucks went from metal Tonka toys to plastic crap.
    I agree 100%!! And the metal Tonkas are still around and growing in value!

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    I think the bottom line is "greed", from companies that want to make huge profits and sacirfice quality, to workers who want to make a lot of $$$ and not be productive, to investers who demand outrages returns on there investments at any cost. 12% return on your investment used to be great at one time, then it had to be 25%-30%-35%. And don't get me wrong everyone wants to prosper and there's nothing wrong with that, but at what expense. Me personally, I perfer to make an honest living, supply a quality product at a fair price, try to keep customers happy, try to keep the help happy and try to raise everyone's standard living. I think greed is a disease and the cure for it is good chacacter.

    We all no we can sell a homeowner a new condenser during a heatwave when just the capacitor is blown, but we don't because it's simply not the right thing to do. But it just seems like no one else realizes this or just doesn't care and is out to make a fast buck and it's just breaking down the whole system

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    Quote Originally Posted by texas cooler View Post
    Too many people have the harbor Freight Tools mentality and buy cheap knock-offs that MAY work OK but won't last long term.
    Sears is making most of the Craftsman tools in China but are keeping prices the same as when the tools ware made here.
    Chinese middle class (is there is such thing) prefer American made goods, they love Ford and Chevy overthere, Here we are becoming accustomed to cheap disposable foreign made junk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    I do also, one thing I have learning is you get what you pay for.
    The standard has become cheap and disposable. Real quality is so rare that when you can get it, it is obscenely expensive.
    The key to happiness is lower expectations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    I think the bottom line is "greed", from companies that want to make huge profits and sacirfice quality, to workers who want to make a lot of $$$ and not be productive, to investers who demand outrages returns on there investments at any cost. 12% return on your investment used to be great at one time, then it had to be 25%-30%-35%. And don't get me wrong everyone wants to prosper and there's nothing wrong with that, but at what expense. Me personally, I perfer to make an honest living, supply a quality product at a fair price, try to keep customers happy, try to keep the help happy and try to raise everyone's standard living. I think greed is a disease and the cure for it is good chacacter.

    We all no we can sell a homeowner a new condenser during a heatwave when just the capacitor is blown, but we don't because it's simply not the right thing to do. But it just seems like no one else realizes this or just doesn't care and is out to make a fast buck and it's just breaking down the whole system
    I think Vinster summed it up perfectly!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2sac View Post
    ...but we have UAW companies that don't care about UAW employees.
    Yes, it is entirely the fault of the companies.

    Not the union employees that don't care about their employer.

    You know, the guys that show up late, leave early, take long breaks, take long lunches, spend 2 hours smoking every day, the unqualified that get by through the buddy system, the ones that steal tools and material, sabotage jobsites/work areas... and so forth.

    Unless I am the only union person that has ever had to work with those individuals, that give unions a bad name. I suppose that is possible.

    Hell, I'm having issues applying at non-union companies because of the reputaion that union workers have in general. Oh, you were a union guy...

    [sarcasm] Yup, definitely the fault of the employers. [/sarcasm]

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    Quote Originally Posted by neophytes serendipity View Post
    Yes, it is entirely the fault of the companies.

    Not the union employees that don't care about their employer.

    You know, the guys that show up late, leave early, take long breaks, take long lunches, spend 2 hours smoking every day, the unqualified that get by through the buddy system, the ones that steal tools and material, sabotage jobsites/work areas... and so forth.
    I met the very same guys when I was non-union.

    Quote Originally Posted by neophytes serendipity View Post
    Unless I am the only union person that has ever had to work with those individuals, that give unions a bad name. I suppose that is possible.

    Hell, I'm having issues applying at non-union companies because of the reputaion that union workers have in general. Oh, you were a union guy...

    [sarcasm] Yup, definitely the fault of the employers. [/sarcasm]
    You are having issues applying at non-union shops because of you, there is nobody else to blame, doors are open in both sides of the fence for good reputable mechanics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    You are having issues applying at non-union shops because of you, there is nobody else to blame, doors are open in both sides of the fence for good reputable mechanics.
    Well, when you do good on the competence exam, the interview goes well, and then you get the "oh" when (union) employment history comes up... or when things stop when the U word comes up before anything else... and yes, maybe I wasn't a good match at Employer X.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vinster View Post
    "Made in the USA" used to mean something. And it still does to a certain degree depending on what you buy, but lately even the company's that were making quality product seem to be jumping ship and going to China or Mexico. It's no secrect about what makes a strong national economy, strong local economies make a strong national economies and we are a Walmart nation. Somehow somewhere things got derailed and the business motto became "greet is good".

    People's idea of patriotism seemed to get derailed also, I had some jerkoff come up to me one time and give me sh*t for not having an american flag on my car. I told him I do, that it was displayed on the front grille of my truck. He looked and said where, I pointed to the GMC emblem and said see, it says U-S-A. Then berated hime for driving a Kia with a cheap flag in the window that was made in China.
    My half ton sierra was made in CANADA. The only thing I could find that was made here on it is the drive shaft

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