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  1. #1
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    RGF REME or APCO Air Purifier experiences

    Has anybody in here installed either the RGF REME Air Purifier of the APCO Air Purifier. We have distributors that want to sell us both of these, but we would like some real world experience in how they work, and how hard they are to install (especially the REME).
    Hi, my name is Glenn, and I'm a Toolaholic!

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    Hi Glenn the RGF Reme is a great product however there is something else out there which is light years better. It is the Needlepoint Bi Polar Ion generator which has no maintenance or Ozone Build up. The air smells clean unlike the Reme's Ozone odor so your customers will be very happy. http://gpshvac.com/index.php?option=...d=11&Itemid=93

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    Will wonders never cease? Lookup oxidative stress:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress

    The free-radical theory of aging:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-ra...heory_of_aging

    and ask yourself if it's a good idea to breathe something as powerful as bleach all day. That's why they claim to kill viruses, bacteria and mold -- by damaging them with chemical reactions. It's tragic that people are conned into buying them without realising the risks they're taking. People involved in selling ion/hydroxyl generators should be sued out of business. You have a lot of nerve to suggest buying that in an air quality forum.

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    Not all products are the same. These GPS Needle point Bi-Polar ionizers have been tested by the
    best 3rd party companies in laboratories and actual buildings like schools, hospitals and the Army Corp of Engineers in Washington DC. In today's world we know all the issues and the laboratories specifically look for any of those harming conditions mentioned in your article. There are none with this product and many tests have been done from 2010 to now.

    Quote Originally Posted by pmeunier View Post
    Will wonders never cease? Lookup oxidative stress:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress

    The free-radical theory of aging:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-ra...heory_of_aging

    and ask yourself if it's a good idea to breathe something as powerful as bleach all day. That's why they claim to kill viruses, bacteria and mold -- by damaging them with chemical reactions. It's tragic that people are conned into buying them without realising the risks they're taking. People involved in selling ion/hydroxyl generators should be sued out of business. You have a lot of nerve to suggest buying that in an air quality forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aterzado View Post
    Not all products are the same. These GPS Needle point Bi-Polar ionizers have been tested by the
    best 3rd party companies in laboratories and actual buildings like schools, hospitals and the Army Corp of Engineers in Washington DC. In today's world we know all the issues and the laboratories specifically look for any of those harming conditions mentioned in your article. There are none with this product and many tests have been done from 2010 to now.
    I'm interested; I'd like to read a scientific study supporting those claims. Thanks

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    Here are 11 Scientific reports to get you started
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/982ainguv1vrx3w/xtccSsmzZI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aterzado View Post
    Here are 11 Scientific reports to get you started
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/982ainguv1vrx3w/xtccSsmzZI
    Thanks. What I'm reading so far is evidence of toxicity to micro-organisms and chemical reactions powerful enough to destroy whole classes of compounds. There's also a small increase in ozone, to which sensitive individuals may react but most people might not. I don't see anything about non-toxicity to humans after breathing in these reaction chambers for years. It's logical to think that the toxicity to micro-organisms will have consequences in mammals exposed for a long time, because the chemical reactions involved are strong. I'm still afraid that the teachers in those schools, after 10 or 20 years on the job, may develop cancer or other health issues faster than their colleagues in schools without that equipment.

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    I agree with pm. After reading these so called "scientific reports" I see nothing that indicates that this technology is safe or effective for indoor environments. Once again, what we see are carefully selected anecdotal cases or experiments done in chambers the size of a microwave (with a computer fan to simulate an HVAC system). This is marketing hype and not scientific data. Until we see third party, independent analyses of these devices, the watchwords would be "consumer beware." At the end of the day there is an overwhelming body of evidence showing that chemical reactions to eliminate the bad stuff in indoor air cannot be effective without causing unintended and potentially harmful byproducts.

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    Ok, then let me share some more third party test results for you all. This one is by Bureau Veritas which is an authority in Indoor air investigations and certifications globally. It is for a school which by the way reduced their outside air intake by 50% and is saving a huge amount of money on electricity thanks to Global Plasma Solutions. www.GPSHVAC.com
    Please read up to the point with a written Conclusion of the attached report: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i47yvqvj0...2010Survey.pdf

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    and here is something you haven' seen before with these type of products. It's a UL 867 Air purifier report with Ozone Chamber Test. Global Plasma Solutions www.GPSHVAC.com passed this test way below the limit allowed to pass. You will not detect any ozone in the space with this product so you can achieve a cleaner smelling indoor air. Very experienced contractors in Florida have been using them in their own home and very impressed with the IAQ. This is the best Indoor air quality product in the market today. No Ozone or maintenance with all the Bacteria, Virus kill rates of the RGF plus excellent dust and particulate reduction.

    Here is the Ozone Chamber report UL Standard for Safety for Electrostatic Air Cleaners, UL 867,
    Section 37 Fourth Edition, December 21, 2007.
    for Global Plasma Solutions. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i47yvqvj0...est%20Data.pdf

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    I have used both the RGF and the GPS products and can say first hand that both work. I had two RGF cells in my home and did notice that the kids didn't have as many doctor visits and didn't pass colds back and forth. The only complaint I had with the RGF products is the cost to keep it going because the replacement bulbs are pricey. I now have the GPS-2400 in my system and have been very surprised at its effectiveness. I recently moved and noticed a distinct musty smell downstairs. I heard about the GPS products and decided to try one. The smell was gone in about 24 hours and hasn't returned at all. Not sure about longterm health effects, but I guess I am going to go at some point in time from something.

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    [QUOTE=Aterzado;14418311]Here are 11 Scientific reports to get you started
    [URL="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i47yvqvj06obrwo/uE9_gK8uKe

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    Here is the correct link to the reports https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i47yvqvj06obrwo/uE9_gK8uKe

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