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  1. #1
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    RGF REME or APCO Air Purifier experiences

    Has anybody in here installed either the RGF REME Air Purifier of the APCO Air Purifier. We have distributors that want to sell us both of these, but we would like some real world experience in how they work, and how hard they are to install (especially the REME).
    Hi, my name is Glenn, and I'm a Toolaholic!

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    Hi Glenn the RGF Reme is a great product however there is something else out there which is light years better. It is the Needlepoint Bi Polar Ion generator which has no maintenance or Ozone Build up. The air smells clean unlike the Reme's Ozone odor so your customers will be very happy. http://gpshvac.com/index.php?option=...d=11&Itemid=93

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    Will wonders never cease? Lookup oxidative stress:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress

    The free-radical theory of aging:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-ra...heory_of_aging

    and ask yourself if it's a good idea to breathe something as powerful as bleach all day. That's why they claim to kill viruses, bacteria and mold -- by damaging them with chemical reactions. It's tragic that people are conned into buying them without realising the risks they're taking. People involved in selling ion/hydroxyl generators should be sued out of business. You have a lot of nerve to suggest buying that in an air quality forum.

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    Not all products are the same. These GPS Needle point Bi-Polar ionizers have been tested by the
    best 3rd party companies in laboratories and actual buildings like schools, hospitals and the Army Corp of Engineers in Washington DC. In today's world we know all the issues and the laboratories specifically look for any of those harming conditions mentioned in your article. There are none with this product and many tests have been done from 2010 to now.

    Quote Originally Posted by pmeunier View Post
    Will wonders never cease? Lookup oxidative stress:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxidative_stress

    The free-radical theory of aging:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free-ra...heory_of_aging

    and ask yourself if it's a good idea to breathe something as powerful as bleach all day. That's why they claim to kill viruses, bacteria and mold -- by damaging them with chemical reactions. It's tragic that people are conned into buying them without realising the risks they're taking. People involved in selling ion/hydroxyl generators should be sued out of business. You have a lot of nerve to suggest buying that in an air quality forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aterzado View Post
    Not all products are the same. These GPS Needle point Bi-Polar ionizers have been tested by the
    best 3rd party companies in laboratories and actual buildings like schools, hospitals and the Army Corp of Engineers in Washington DC. In today's world we know all the issues and the laboratories specifically look for any of those harming conditions mentioned in your article. There are none with this product and many tests have been done from 2010 to now.
    I'm interested; I'd like to read a scientific study supporting those claims. Thanks

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    Here are 11 Scientific reports to get you started
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/982ainguv1vrx3w/xtccSsmzZI

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aterzado View Post
    Here are 11 Scientific reports to get you started
    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/982ainguv1vrx3w/xtccSsmzZI
    Thanks. What I'm reading so far is evidence of toxicity to micro-organisms and chemical reactions powerful enough to destroy whole classes of compounds. There's also a small increase in ozone, to which sensitive individuals may react but most people might not. I don't see anything about non-toxicity to humans after breathing in these reaction chambers for years. It's logical to think that the toxicity to micro-organisms will have consequences in mammals exposed for a long time, because the chemical reactions involved are strong. I'm still afraid that the teachers in those schools, after 10 or 20 years on the job, may develop cancer or other health issues faster than their colleagues in schools without that equipment.

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    [QUOTE=Aterzado;14418311]Here are 11 Scientific reports to get you started
    [URL="https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i47yvqvj06obrwo/uE9_gK8uKe

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    Here is the correct link to the reports https://www.dropbox.com/sh/i47yvqvj06obrwo/uE9_gK8uKe

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    I have used both the RGF and the GPS products and can say first hand that both work. I had two RGF cells in my home and did notice that the kids didn't have as many doctor visits and didn't pass colds back and forth. The only complaint I had with the RGF products is the cost to keep it going because the replacement bulbs are pricey. I now have the GPS-2400 in my system and have been very surprised at its effectiveness. I recently moved and noticed a distinct musty smell downstairs. I heard about the GPS products and decided to try one. The smell was gone in about 24 hours and hasn't returned at all. Not sure about longterm health effects, but I guess I am going to go at some point in time from something.

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    I have personally installed over 30 rgf units (phi not reme) and they work very well when they work.. The failure rate in the bulbs is in my opinion way too excessive. It is not uncommon to replace the bulb every other year which is very pricey. The reme is a different setup and I do not have a track record with it so I cannot comment. I will say one if the running jokes at work is when I get a phone call and the tech says "hey you won't believe it,, I was on a call today and I saw a rgf that was working" they have made changed to ballasts I believe which had helped. I just pass the info and experience I have along
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    The REME and other RGF products were all about ozone production, until 2003 when EPA said ozone is bad. Then they claimed to produce hydro peroxides, which according to definition, are Organic peroxides, which are powerful bleaching agents. There has been one study done in 18 years substantiating their claims of whole house disinfection. If this product actually works, don't you think there would be more than one study? I have more customers who asked these products to be removed due to the "bleach" smell they created. They were scared they put an ozone system in their home. We had so many fail that the owner finally switched to another brand.

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    I have seen a higher than I would like failure rate unfortunately. I have a keen sense for ozone and I cannot smell any with my vsf unit. I am a firm believer in them. Last year my wife asked if it was still working cuz the house seems to be different. Sure enough, 3 yr old
    Bulb reached its lifespan and it died. Just my .02
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