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    Quote Originally Posted by chaard View Post
    I hear Hitler did some good things too. Anti smoking. Autobahn. VW. Environmentalist.
    Hey, let's find some good things Charles Manson did.
    Charley is a pretty good song writer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpit View Post
    So, I guess since so many afghanistan men have gay thursday with little boys, we shouldn't be upset about that. Or be concerned with NAMBLA pushing for sex with children of all ages.

    I'm really not into situational ethics. Right is right and wrong is wrong. Doesn't matter the culture or time. As long as enough people are for it?

    That is the same justification for slavery. Blacks sold blacks into slavery 'cause other blacks sold other blacks into slavery.

    It is in the heart of every man to know what is right.

    Because one silences that voice doesn't excuse him.

    Have you read about muhawmed?

    There is nothing about the infidel worth admiring.
    Sorry, but I disagree with you. I don't demonize my enemies to the point of not acknowledging their strong points and abilities. One of my favored persons as far as a country leader is Fidel Castro. Would I trust Castro? NO! Still, he did prevent his country from becoming another pseudo government with him as a puppet of the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpit View Post
    If you look at the scriptures, there is coming a one world leader who will behead those who don't receive his mark. Could quite possibly be a muzlim.

    However, for those who believe in Christ, there should be a catching away before that.
    Could you direct us to the specific scripture for which you speak of here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moenaboulsi View Post
    Iam a Muslim. Ask any questions you want about the religion and will be glad to answer you.
    Why are there Muslims worldwide attacking innocent civilians in countries all over the world?

    How do Muslims who blow up large numbers of persons in public places choose who deserves to die?

    What is the justification for Muslims to murder others who have committed no crimes according to governmental law?

    Will you pledge your allegiance to the country of Canada to the point that you will never do anything that is illegal in Canada even if it conflicts with what Islam dictates you must do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ironpit View Post
    They receive billions of financial aide from their worst enemy. Us. Yes, the good ol' U.S .of A.

    What did the hamas do with the 900 million hillary clinton gave them about a year ago? Most of it wound up with their own rich leaders AND buying weapons to attack ISRAEL.

    These people suffer because of themselves.

    But what can you expect from a holy religion whose leader married a 9 year old girl!
    I was reading all post on by one. Most of post is made in the base of stupidity. Please read this answer about our prophet marriage. It may open your blind eyes and your minds.
    1. This was not her age at marriage.
    2. Her parents offered marriage of their daughter to Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him).

    First of all, not all questions are fair. Sometime people put statements in the questions which are not true. Therefore, we have to clarify some facts before we go any further:

    "Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) did not marry Ayesha when she was only 6 years old. Her parents offered marriage as was customary in their culture at the time. However, the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) did not accept this and they waited a number of years before offering marriage to him again."

    Next thing is, we have to understand that Islam is all about "Rights and Limits". The Quran clarifies what everyone's rights are and what the limits are as well.

    It was through this matrimony of marriage to the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) that we found the example of the meaning of the limitations set forth in the fourth chapter of the Quran, entitled "The Women":
    "O you who believe! You are forbidden to inherit women against their will." [Noble Quran 4:19]
    Women around the world had no rights in those days and men knew no limits in their dealings with the women. One of the problems was that a man could marry off his daughter at any age and she could not refuse.

    Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) was offered the marriage to Ayesha by her father and mother on more than one occasion. Once when Ayesha was six, her mother summoned her into the house where she heard the proposal of marriage being offered by her father to his life long friend, Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) as was the custom of the Arabs in those days. Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) did not accept this offer at that time, even though it was customary for them, as she was not yet of age.

    Note: her father is the one offering the marriage to his lifelong friend (Muhammad, peace and blessings be upon him). The Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) did not marry her and take her to his home at the time and she says she returned back to play outside.

    Again - please note: they did not get married at all on this occasion

    A few years later when she was old enough to marry according to Islam (she was able to bear children) she did accept the proposal of marriage and she did marry the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him).

    We find that the girl must be old enough to have children and to be able to determine what her will is. The Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) married her at the youngest age a girl can get married. That is, she was old enough to be considered eligible for marriage and having enough wisdom to make such a choice even at her young age.

    Also, she was a virgin. This was to show Muslims about how to treat the young girls when they get married and not to rush into having sex with them until they are ready and fully prepared.

    All of this is recorded in the Hadiths narrated by Ayesha herself in regard to the treatment that she received from the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him).

    As a reward for her commitment to Allah and to Islam, Allah honored her in Surah an-Nur by clearing her of any suspicion of illegal sex with a companion, as some liars had charged against her. There were ten verses revealed in regard to this incident alone about Ayesha.

    Allah Says:
    “Verily! Those who brought forth the slander (against Ayesha) are a group among you. consider it not a bad thing for you. Nay, it is good for you. Unto every man among them will be paid that which he had earned of the sin, and as for him among them who had the greater share therein, his will be a great torment.

    Why then, did not the believers, men and women, when you heard it (the slander) think good of their own people and say: "This is an obvious lie?"

    Why did they not produce four witnesses? Since they have not produced witnesses; then with Allah they are liars.

    Had it not been for the Grace of Allah and His Mercy unto you in this world and in the Hereafter, a great torment would have touched you for that whereof you had spoken.

    When you were propagating it with your tongues, and uttering with your mouths that whereof you had no knowledge, you counted it a little thing, while with Allah it was very great.

    And why did you not, when you heard it, say: "It is not right for us to speak of this. Glory be to You (O Allah) this is a great lie."?

    Allah forbids you from it and warns you not to repeat the like of it forever, if you are believers.” [Noble Quran 24:11-21]
    Ayesha was also given the distinct title of "Mother of the Believers" even though she never had a single child. Allah did honor her so much for her patience and dedication.

    Finally, Ayesha, may Allah be pleased with her, tells us in her own words all about the offers of marriage from her father to the Prophet (Peace and blessings be upon him) and of the actual marriage when it did take place years later. She also describes in glowing terms their engagement, marriage, life together and life after his death - all in the best of terms. She never said a single bad thing against her husband and described him as the best of men and the example of the Quran itself. She learned from him and passed on the most valuable knowledge of family relations in general and marriage in particular through her explanation of her own relationship of our Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him).

    She tells of running races and playing together, enjoying sporting and competition events together, and mentions her personal intimacy with Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) in the most wonderful terms. Her advice and instructions to both men and women regarding establishing and maintaining the best relationship between man and wife is still the best of counsel we find today.

    As noted above, even Allah the Creator and Sustainer of the universe, has defended her honor and integrity in His Book. Her own account of marriage to Prophet Muhammad (Peace and blessings be upon him) and her many detailed descriptions of events and happenings before and during their marriage and her continued commitment to the memory of her husband and faith in their reuniting together in Paradise can only lead us to believe, in fact, this was indeed the best of marriages in human history.

    A Comparison Between: The English Love Story "Romeo & Juliet" and Muslims Love Story of: "Muhammad & Ayesha"

    Shakespeare could have done the western world a better service, instead of telling a story of two young teens sneaking around having an affair behind their parents backs, and then committing a double suicide - when they didn't get their way, in "Romeo and Juliet" -

    Suppose he had told the true story of "Muhammad and Ayesha" - these were real people who believed in God and lived a blessed life on earth and will live together in Paradise - "Happily ever after."

    Goodness only comes to those who are the true believers and only the bad reaches to those who are the disbelievers.

    This life is but a test for all of us. And in the end, Allah will bring us all back in front of Him for the Judgment. Then the disbelievers will see what it was that they were denying and lying about.

    We ask Allah to guide all the people and save us all, Ameen.

    Quotes from Sheikh Yusuf Estes who recently converted to islam.

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    The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influential Persons in History is a 1978 book by Michael H. Hart, reprinted in 1992 with revisions. It is a ranking of the 100 people who, according to Hart, most influenced human history.[1]
    The first person on Hart's list is the Prophet of Islam Muhammad.[2] Hart asserted that Muhammad was "supremely successful" in both the religious and secular realms. He also believed that Muhammad's role in the development of Islam was far more influential than Jesus' collaboration in the development of Christianity. He attributes the development of Christianity to St. Paul, who played a pivotal role in its dissemination.
    The 1992 revisions included the demotion of figures associated with Communism, such as Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong, and the introduction of Mikhail Gorbachev. Hart took sides in the Shakespearean authorship issue and substituted Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford for William Shakespeare. Hart also substituted Niels Bohr and Henri Becquerel with Ernest Rutherford, thus correcting an error in the first edition. Henry Ford was also promoted from the "Honorary Mentions" list, replacing Pablo Picasso. Finally, some of the rankings were re-ordered, although no one listed in the top ten changed position.
    Hart wrote another book in 1999, entitled A View from the Year 3000,[3] voiced in the perspective of a person from that future year and ranking the most influential people in history. Roughly half of those entries are fictional people from 2000–3000, but the remainder are actual people. These were taken mostly from the 1992 edition, with some re-ranking of order.

    Hart's Top 10 (from the 1992 edition)
    Rank Name Time Frame Image Occupation Influence
    1 Muhammad
    c. 570–632 Secular and religious leader The central human figure of Islam, regarded by Muslims as a prophet of God and the last messenger. Active as a social reformer, diplomat,merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, military leader, humanitarian, philanthropist.
    2 Isaac Newton
    1643–1727 Scientist English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist, and theologian. His law of universal gravitation and threelaws of motion laid the groundwork for classical mechanics.

    3 Jesus Christ
    7–2 BC – 26–36 AD Spiritual leader The central figure of Christianity, revered by Christians as the Son of God and the incarnation of God. Also regarded as a major prophet in Islam.

    4 Buddha
    563–483 BC Spiritual leader Spiritual teacher and philosopher from ancient India. Founder ofBuddhism and is also considered an Gautama Buddha in Hinduism.

    5 Confucius
    551–479 BC Philosopher Chinese thinker and social philosopher, founder of Confucianism, whose teachings and philosophy have deeply influenced Chinese,Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and Indonesian thought and life.

    6 Paul of Tarsus
    5–67 AD Christian apostle One of the most notable of early Christian missionaries, credited withproselytizing and spreading Christianity outside of Palestine (mainly to the Romans) and author of numerous letters of the New Testament of the Bible.

    7 Cài Lún
    50–121 AD Political official in imperial China Widely regarded as the inventor of paper and the papermakingprocess.

    8 Johannes Gutenberg
    1398–1468 Inventor German printer who invented the mechanical printing press.

    9 Christopher Columbus
    1451–1506 Explorer Italian navigator, colonizer and explorer whose voyages led to general European awareness of the American continents.
    10 Albert Einstein
    1879–1955 Scientist German theoretical physicist, best known for his theory of relativityand specifically mass–energy equivalence, expressed by the equationE = mc2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Why are there Muslims worldwide attacking innocent civilians in countries all over the world?

    How do Muslims who blow up large numbers of persons in public places choose who deserves to die?

    What is the justification for Muslims to murder others who have committed no crimes according to governmental law?

    Will you pledge your allegiance to the country of Canada to the point that you will never do anything that is illegal in Canada even if it conflicts with what Islam dictates you must do?
    1) why are Christians attacking and shooting people in movie theaters, universities, buses etc.?
    No religion is free from certain extremists that claim to be Muslims,Christians or Jewish. In Islam the Koran forbids any follower to kill any innocent soul. It says is killing one innocent soul is like killing all of humanity and saving one innocent soul is like saving all of humanity. Let's not generalize by saying. all Muslims or all Christians kill.

    2) there are one sect (wahabism) who have far strayed and call themselves Muslims. They have been brainwashed ideologically. If there is any negative view of Islam is because of them and the Zionist run media with an agenda to portray us all as terrorists. You get to the level of certainty that you are going to be a martyr by killing innocent people and that you will be promised 70 virgins which is absolutely not true. you do not become a martyr by murdering innocent people and go to heaven. They volunteer themselves to hell.

    3) there is no justification to kill anybody innocently. the only Time that we have any right to attack is in the case of self defense. Even then God tells us in his book that forgiveness is better for you.

    4) I have made the allegiance to follow the rules of the country. The religion commands you to follow the rules of the country and respects them. that doesn't mean I have to go around and mix with what everybody is doing so I could fit in. I practice my religion in peaceful ways and not hurting anybody. There's no law stating I cannot practice my religion

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    Quote Originally Posted by moideen View Post
    The 100: A Ranking of the Most Influ
    ential Persons in History is a 1978 book by Michael H. Hart, reprinted in 1992 with revisions. It is a ranking of the 100 people who, according to Hart, most influenced human history.[1]
    The first person on Hart's list is the Prophet of Islam Muhammad.[2] Hart asserted that Muhammad was "supremely successful" in both the religious and secular realms. He also believed that Muhammad's role in the development of Islam was far more influential than Jesus' collaboration in the development of Christianity. He attributes the development of Christianity to St. Paul, who played a pivotal role in its dissemination.
    The 1992 revisions included the demotion of figures associated with Communism, such as Vladimir Lenin and Mao Zedong, and the introduction of Mikhail Gorbachev. Hart took sides in the Shakespearean authorship issue and substituted Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford for William Shakespeare. Hart also substituted Niels Bohr and Henri Becquerel with Ernest Rutherford, thus correcting an error in the first edition. Henry Ford was also promoted from the "Honorary Mentions" list, replacing Pablo Picasso. Finally, some of the rankings were re-ordered, although no one listed in the top ten changed position.
    Hart wrote another book in 1999, entitled A View from the Year 3000,[3] voiced in the perspective of a person from that future year and ranking the most influential people in history. Roughly half of those entries are fictional people from 2000–3000, but the remainder are actual people. These were taken mostly from the 1992 edition, with some re-ranking of order.

    Hart's Top 10 (from the 1992 edition)
    Rank Name Time Frame Image Occupation Influence
    1 Muhammad
    c. 570–632 Secular and religious leader The central human figure of Islam, regarded by Muslims as a prophet of God and the last messenger. Active as a social reformer, diplomat,merchant, philosopher, orator, legislator, military leader, humanitarian, philanthropist.
    2 Isaac Newton
    1643–1727 Scientist English physicist, mathematician, astronomer, natural philosopher, alchemist, and theologian. His law of universal gravitation and threelaws of motion laid the groundwork for classical mechanics.

    3 Jesus Christ
    7–2 BC – 26–36 AD Spiritual leader The central figure of Christianity, revered by Christians as the Son of God and the incarnation of God. Also regarded as a major prophet in Islam.

    4 Buddha
    563–483 BC Spiritual leader Spiritual teacher and philosopher from ancient India. Founder ofBuddhism and is also considered an Gautama Buddha in Hinduism.

    5 Confucius
    551–479 BC Philosopher Chinese thinker and social philosopher, founder of Confucianism, whose teachings and philosophy have deeply influenced Chinese,Korean, Japanese, Vietnamese and Indonesian thought and life.

    6 Paul of Tarsus
    5–67 AD Christian apostle One of the most notable of early Christian missionaries, credited withproselytizing and spreading Christianity outside of Palestine (mainly to the Romans) and author of numerous letters of the New Testament of the Bible.

    7 Cài Lún
    50–121 AD Political official in imperial China Widely regarded as the inventor of paper and the papermakingprocess.

    8 Johannes Gutenberg
    1398–1468 Inventor German printer who invented the mechanical printing press.

    9 Christopher Columbus
    1451–1506 Explorer Italian navigator, colonizer and explorer whose voyages led to general orEuropean awareness of the American continents.
    10 Albert Einstein
    1879–1955 Scientist German theoretical physicist, best known for his theory of relativityand specifically mass–energy equivalence, expressed by the equationE = mc2.
    Sorry buddy. Unfortunately any practical and peaceful statements uttered at this time to convince the rest of the world that the majority of Muslims are peaceful fall on deaf ears as the reality of Islam and its teachings is being demonstrated on a world wide scale every day.

    Im sure you understand our dilema when we chose a pragmatic approach to self defence from Zealots who chose violence over diplomacy. Being a Christian my faith tells me to be a "fisher of men" . To spread the gospel.

    Not to behead the infidels who sully the name of Christ. We have a proggressive culture in America who does that on a daily basis while the chant " support the intifada " in their protest. Idiot leftist.

    From what I understand Islam places signifigant importance on their prophets including Jesus who they consider a prophet though his name is attacked and his image is posted everywhere. Noah, Moses, Jonah is included in your list of prophets.

    Why the specific attention to Mohamed ?

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    The Qur'an states Mohamed was the last prophet. Thats it. That the prophets before him including Adam....yes THE Adam, Moses, Noah and Jesus preached the word of God for their time. That they preached the original message of Adam.

    But modern Muslims say now those teachings were "corrupted". That Islam Considers Muhamed and Mecca to be the origin of Islam.

    Why the Contradiction. Islam and Christianity and Judaeism have many simarities. Its too bad we cant focus on those similarities and live in peace.

    But you have to realize and understand who is provocating this religous war. This modern day Jihad.

    Its not anti-Islamic or a slight against Muhammed to gun up and protect your family and yourself from those who consider your death as a way to insure paradise for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moenaboulsi View Post
    1) why are Christians attacking and shooting people in movie theaters, universities, buses etc.?
    No religion is free from certain extremists that claim to be Muslims,Christians or Jewish. In Islam the Koran forbids any follower to kill any innocent soul. It says is killing one innocent soul is like killing all of humanity and saving one innocent soul is like saving all of humanity. Let's not generalize by saying. all Muslims or all Christians kill.

    You did not answer my question.


    2) there are one sect (wahabism) who have far strayed and call themselves Muslims. They have been brainwashed ideologically. If there is any negative view of Islam is because of them and the Zionist run media with an agenda to portray us all as terrorists. You get to the level of certainty that you are going to be a martyr by killing innocent people and that you will be promised 70 virgins which is absolutely not true. you do not become a martyr by murdering innocent people and go to heaven. They volunteer themselves to hell.

    So, you are saying that all Muslims who have murdered civilians in the many countries that Muslims have done so over the past few decades are all wahabi's? Funny, that's not what the news states.



    3) there is no justification to kill anybody innocently. the only Time that we have any right to attack is in the case of self defense. Even then God tells us in his book that forgiveness is better for you.

    So why do so many muslims kill innocent people and then so many other muslims cheer when Muslims kill innocent people?

    4) I have made the allegiance to follow the rules of the country. The religion commands you to follow the rules of the country and respects them. that doesn't mean I have to go around and mix with what everybody is doing so I could fit in. I practice my religion in peaceful ways and not hurting anybody. There's no law stating I cannot practice my religion
    So, according to you, as a Muslim you are allowed to pledge an allegiance to the country of Canada which does NOT abide by Islamic laws?

    I realize that as a Muslim, you have no issues lying to infidels, but do you really think that God the Creator of all mankind condones all that is taught in the qur'an?
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    Quote Originally Posted by moenaboulsi View Post
    1) why are Christians attacking and shooting people in movie theaters, universities, buses etc.?
    No religion is free from certain extremists that claim to be Muslims,Christians or Jewish. In Islam the Koran forbids any follower to kill any innocent soul. It says is killing one innocent soul is like killing all of humanity and saving one innocent soul is like saving all of humanity. Let's not generalize by saying. all Muslims or all Christians kill.
    The main difference I see is that when a Christian or Jewish person does such an act, all of them will stand togther and denounce it. Muslims do not denounce these attacks by other Muslims or if they do they will not stand up in public like other religions do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    The main difference I see is that when a Christian or Jewish person does such an act, all of them will stand togther and denounce it. Muslims do not denounce these attacks by other Muslims or if they do they will not stand up in public like other religions do.
    Pakistan politician killed for opposing blasphemy law

    A key Pakistani politician was assassinated Tuesday by a bodyguard angered by his opposition to the country's blasphemy law.
    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/p...lasphemy-islam


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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post

    The main difference I see is that when a Christian or Jewish person does such an act, all of them will stand togther and denounce it. Muslims do not denounce these attacks by other Muslims or if they do they will not stand up in public like other religions do.
    Really?

    So called Christians have been attacking Muslims for a long time..and all I can see that is being done for it is everyone wishing for more.

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