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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Would you volunteer your $$$ to start my business, knowing you would not be paid back?

    Please explain how this is any different than giving money to a welfare leech who will not improve their life?
    You are kidding - right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    About SS. I agree the problem with it is politicains stealing with it, but they have been stealing from it from its inception. There has never been a fund set aside for it. It has always just gone into general reveune. Part of the reasons for this are because the supreme court ruled that the govenrment could just collect a fund for everyone so it had to be a tax. I'll see if I can find the link for you.
    My understanding SS funds go into the SS Trust fund not General Revenues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    There was not a serious chance I would vote for Obama, if I saw his birth certificate or grades........
    Why does it matter. You've seen BO as President, what more do you need. Strange as so many point fingers at BO and call him a Socialist when he, like Clinton is closer to a mid road conservative. Are you saying even after seeing BO's performance as President you would not vote for him if he had bad grades? How irreverent is that.
    BYW, haven't you seen his birth certificate yet? It's available. Of course you could choose to belive the crazies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Printer, I detect a little "Marxist" sarcasm there in your post. Of course we don't want to restrict voting to only those who are wealthy but just those you can read and write and be capable of understanding what they read.

    The error here is you equate education with intellgence. Haven't you ever known an over-educated idiot? Where will the testing end. It won't. We are not required to jump through hoops to vote. This forum proves that even people that could pass a voters test would still make stupid choices.

    I mean a reasonable literacy test should be used. Why should someone be interested with voting for the future of our country if they can't even read or write or understand what they read or hear?

    Being literate doesn't mean intellegent choices. Check our history. Literacy tests are just another way to stack the deck.

    Someone or the government is obviously having to take care of them anyhow and they should not be able to use their vote as a proxy for some special interest group of zealots who tell them who they should vote for. Don't have to look to far to know who and what these groups are.

    Caution!! Thin Ice. Are you telling us that the whole right wing media (Fox, Limpballs, Hanady, Savage Etc. ) aren't a "special intrest group of zealots"? They tell their followers who to vote for and mock everyone else.
    No, we don't have to look far do we?


    I vote who I think is in the best interest of our country and not for someone whom I'm told to vote for. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Why does it matter. You've seen BO as President, what more do you need. Strange as so many point fingers at BO and call him a Socialist when he, like Clinton is closer to a mid road conservative. Are you saying even after seeing BO's performance as President you would not vote for him if he had bad grades? How irreverent is that.
    BYW, haven't you seen his birth certificate yet? It's available. Of course you could choose to belive the crazies.
    WTF???? Middle of the road conservative? I know you couldn't have typed that with a straight face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Typical responce from you Printer. You post hyperbolic absurdity to divert attention away from the original premise that those neck deep in entitlments shouldn't be allowed to vote.

    But then again I cant pin down your unusual interest in American Affairs.
    Neck deep in entitlements? You must be referring to those that pay 15% capital gains. Now that's an entitlement. BTW Canada is part of America. Geography 101.
    Printer's comments wern't absurd at all as there are and were people that thought about just who should vote. When some here continue to prase the Founding Fathers wisdom remember it was a deck stacked for white men.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    WTF???? Middle of the road conservative? I know you couldn't have typed that with a straight face.
    No problem. Look at BO's military position of support, Rules for guns on public lands (I like this one) And forget the BS that he will take your guns, his health care law that does wonders for the insurance industry. It should be called Romney Care. I believe his monetary policies prevented a depression. (So far). There are others but Americans have got so used to hearing Socialist that they have quit thinking.
    His enemies called Clinton similar names too and they probably made more money during his term than they ever did before. The fact that Republicans have gone so far right it's sometimes hard to remember that once they were a great party. That's how Clinton and BO look mid road compared to where conservative has gone. Rather than listen to BO's enemies make a list of the things you think he's done right. I mean even Bush did some good things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Why does it matter. You've seen BO as Pre
    sident, what more do you need. Strange as so many point fingers at BO and call him a Socialist when he, like Clinton is closer to a mid road conservative. Are you saying even after seeing BO's performance as President you would not vote for him if he had bad grades? How irreverent is that.
    BYW, haven't you seen his birth certificate yet? It's available. Of course you could choose to belive the crazies.
    There is nothing Conservative about Obama and Clintons Conservative leanings were simply because he was forced to contend with a Republican House and Senate.

    Clinton claims he balanced the budget and institued welfare reform and claims credit for a great economy when in Reality that all came from the Republican Legislators including the lowering of the capital gains tax.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Would you volunteer your $$$ to start my business, knowing you would not be paid back?

    Please explain how this is any different than giving money to a welfare leech who will not improve their life?
    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    You are kidding - right?
    So let me see if I get this correctly:

    The govt will take your tax $$$ (by force of law), then give it out in loans that may not be paid back...

    However you would not make the same loans the govt would, with YOUR $$$.

    Is it just me, or does anyone else see the double standard here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Why does it matter. You've seen BO as President, what more do you need. Strange as so many point fingers at BO and call him a Socialist when he, like Clinton is closer to a mid road conservative. Are you saying even after seeing BO's performance as President you would not vote for him if he had bad grades? How irreverent is that.
    BYW, haven't you seen his birth certificate yet? It's available. Of course you could choose to belive the crazies.
    The ONLY reason Slick Willie ended up being labelled as more a centrist (a lot different than a mid-road conservative) was he was cornered by both houses of Congress in the GOP hands... he was trapped. It was NOT Bill Clinton's political bend to be anything other than a liberal... never was and never will be.

    OTOH: Slick Willie WAS responsible for forcing FannyMay and FreddiMac to make mortgage loans to folks who could not pay... the root of the current financial crises.

    So to call Bill Clinton a conservative, or even a middle/road centrist... is really NOT accurate or true. I will give you the benefit of the doubt though... the media is spreading that lie like a forest fire. Easy to get caught up in media lies if one is not doing their own research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    Neck deep in entitlements? You must be referring to those that pay 15% capital gains. Now that's an entitlement. BTW Canada is part of America. Geography 101.
    Printer's comments wern't absurd at all as there are and were people that thought about just who should vote. When some here continue to prase the Founding Fathers wisdom remember it was a deck stacked for white men.
    That is a racist comment...

    Read the founding documents of the USA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    No problem. Look at BO's military position of support, Rules for guns on public lands (I like this one) And forget the BS that he will take your guns, his health care law that does wonders for the insurance industry. It should be called Romney Care. I believe his monetary policies prevented a depression. (So far). There are others but Americans have got so used to hearing Socialist that they have quit thinking.
    His enemies called Clinton similar names too and they probably made more money during his term than they ever did before. The fact that Republicans have gone so far right it's sometimes hard to remember that once they were a great party. That's how Clinton and BO look mid road compared to where conservative has gone. Rather than listen to BO's enemies make a list of the things you think he's done right. I mean even Bush did some good things.
    List of what I think Obama has done right....hang on give me a minute......


















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    .............wait there's the capture of Osama..no that was the SEALS and our military......









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    Quote Originally Posted by hvacker View Post
    No problem. Look at BO's military
    position of support, Rules for guns on public lands (I like this one) And forget the BS that he will take your guns, his health care law that does wonders for the insurance industry. It should be called Romney Care. I believe his monetary policies prevented a depression. (So far). There are others but Americans have got so used to hearing Socialist that they have quit thinking.
    His enemies called Clinton similar names too and they probably made more money during his term than they ever did before. The fact that Republicans have gone so far right it's sometimes hard to remember that once they were a great party. That's how Clinton and BO look mid road compared to where conservative has gone. Rather than listen to BO's enemies make a list of the things you think he's done right. I mean even Bush did some good things.
    Maybe some examples grounded in legitimate economics why his monetary policy saved us from a great depression ?

    REAL unemploymemt is hovering close to 16%. If you count the peole that have given up plus the individuals working part time.

    The unemployment rate during the Great Deppression hovered around 22% . Also weve got a record number of peope on food stamps, on disabillity, a record debt with much of that money going towards "bad debt".

    But his "stimulus" that borrowed close to a trillion dollars so he could pump it into government projects and local and state unions and now bankrupt green energy companies saved us ? .

    The Fed pumping billions into buying up toxic mortgae backed securites is part of his monetary policy. How did that save us from a Great Depression.

    We have exceeded alot of the economic water marks left by the great depression especially in terms of home sales and there is no great war to dig us out of this one.

    So please enlighten us on how he " saved " us.

    The fundamental common theme, the things that all liberals have in common is a lack of reputable resources and a lack of information over all to make an intelligent argument AND their refusal to chose truth over idealogy.

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