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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    They threaten to shut down the Straits of Hormuz because we placed sanctions making it nigh impossible for them to sell oil, thus driving up the costs of oil. Everything drives up the price of oil. Have you not noticed that? Btw, U.S. officials also claimed that Iraq had "weapons of mass destruction", so unless you think they have gotten better since Obama took over?
    Well Iran is making no bones about it enriching uranium (although they tried to keep the deep in the mountain plant secret) and they are getting closer to bomb grade uranium. It would be very easy for Iran to alleviate everyone's fears (tell me a country in the region that is not nervous) if it opens up its production facilities to UN inspectors. You do remember that the UN sanctions are the result of Iran not coming clean on their program? If it were just on facet of Iran's relationship with the world community then we might feel better about the odd misstep. But they are making it very hard for us to ignore them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Well Iran is making no bones about it enriching uranium (although they tried to keep the deep in the mountain plant secret) and they are getting closer to bomb grade uranium. It would be very easy for Iran to alleviate everyone's fears (tell me a country in the region that is not nervous) if it opens up its production facilities to UN inspectors. You do remember that the UN sanctions are the result of Iran not coming clean on their program? If it were just on facet of Iran's relationship with the world community then we might feel better about the odd misstep. But they are making it very hard for us to ignore them.

    Iran is a sovereign nation, the same as the USA. Should we be opening up our facilities and developments? How would the USA react to those sorta demands? Lets look at Iran's history. We are talking about a nation that has not fought a war of aggression in 200 hundred years. Their last war was again Iraq, when Iraq attacked them. What did the USA do. They played both sides against the middle. We provided intelligence to both sides to weaken both sides. Did you know that Iran was becoming a secular nation, much like western nations? That was occurring right up to the point that they decided they where being ripped off by BP on their oil, and nationilzed their oil fields, this is not an act that I personally agree with but they are a sovereign nation. Our response was something no one should agree with. It was called operaction Ajax. The CIA went to work and set in motion events that lead to the overthrow of the Iranian prime minister and the reinstatement of the Shaw of Iran, a brutal dictator. Oh, and this was all done to stop the spread of communism. I'm sure the oil had nothing to do with it. Maybe, just maybe, they want nukes so the USA and the western world will leave them the hell alone?

    Out of curisoity how do you think the middle east reacts when the USA supported one bloody dictator after the other to "stop the spread of communism"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    Iran is a sovereign nation, the same as the USA. Should we be opening up our facilities and developments? How would the USA react to those sorta demands? Lets look at Iran's history. We are talking about a nation that has not fought a war of aggression in 200 hundred years. Their last war was again Iraq, when Iraq attacked them. What did the USA do. They played both sides against the middle. We provided intelligence to both sides to weaken both sides. Did you know that Iran was becoming a secular nation, much like western nations? That was occurring right up to the point that they decided they where being ripped off by BP on their oil, and nationilzed their oil fields, this is not an act that I personally agree with but they are a sovereign nation. Our response was something no one should agree with. It was called operaction Ajax. The CIA went to work and set in motion events that lead to the overthrow of the Iranian prime minister and the reinstatement of the Shaw of Iran, a brutal dictator. Oh, and this was all done to stop the spread of communism. I'm sure the oil had nothing to do with it. Maybe, just maybe, they want nukes so the USA and the western world will leave them the hell alone?

    Out of curisoity how do you think the middle east reacts when the USA supported one bloody dictator after the other to "stop the spread of communism"?
    Nice piece of information, Iran not attacking anyone in the last 200 years. Kind of hard to do when you are fighting to keep Russia and Britain from taking you over. While the U.S. helped put the Shah into power, that was over 50 years ago. Don't know how old you are but most of my life was lived in the Clod War era and both sides played a game of chess with the rest of us as pawns. It sucked but lets face it the stakes were high.

    Not sure if you have noticed, things in Iran have changed since the overthrow of the Shah. Basically you have a fundamentalist clergy backed by the Revolutionary Guards running the show. Iran wanting nukes to defend itself in response to its history might have been enough for the West to turn a blind eye to their pursuit. But Iran's support for groups like Hezbollah really hurts their cause. I really doubt that Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have a warm spot for Iran. The only countries that have are Pakistan Syria, and North Korea, and you wonder why they get no love from the rest of us?
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    They don't NEED enriched uranium to make a bomb. Plutonium is just as viable and will come even if they just run low grade uranium in a standard light water reactor like was mostly supplied by France and now being finished by the Russians.
    "little man" was a plutonium reaction and still killed 70,000+ Japanese.
    The DPRK is also going the plutonium route since they have no hope of enriching uranium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Nice piece of information, Iran not attacking anyone in the last 200 years. Kind of hard to do when you are fighting to keep Russia and Britain from taking you over. While the U.S. helped put the Shah into power, that was over 50 years ago. Don't know how old you are but most of my life was lived in the Clod War era and both sides played a game of chess with the rest of us as pawns. It sucked but lets face it the stakes were high.

    Not sure if you have noticed, things in Iran have changed since the overthrow of the Shah. Basically you have a fundamentalist clergy backed by the Revolutionary Guards running the show. Iran wanting nukes to defend itself in response to its history might have been enough for the West to turn a blind eye to their pursuit. But Iran's support for groups like Hezbollah really hurts their cause. I really doubt that Jordan, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia and Turkey have a warm spot for Iran. The only countries that have are Pakistan Syria, and North Korea, and you wonder why they get no love from the rest of us?
    The stakes where not that high. Socalism when taken to the extreem falls apart. The whole cold war era was a nice way to keep the military defense contractors going, on both sides of the globe. The USSR needed an enemy to keep their people from objecting to being run over, and our citizens needed a boogy man to make it ok to walk all over the constitution. The new one is terrorism. You have a better chance of getting hit by lightning, or winning the power ball.

    The revolutionary guards and fundamentalists power is a direct result in US middle east policy. These nations had brutal dictators being supported by the U.S.A. a nation so powerful there was no way people living in villages in the middle east would have no way of doing what we did with our brutal dictators in the 1800's. Picking up guns and killing them. So instead they are asking their god why this is happening and power hungry people are using it as a form of control. In short they are doing the same thing any good gun toting american would do. Fight back in any way possible. What would you do in their shoes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by syndicated View Post
    They don't NEED enriched uranium to make a bomb. Plutonium is just as viable and will come even if they just run low grade uranium in a standard light water reactor like was mostly supplied by France and now being finished by the Russians.
    "little man" was a plutonium reaction and still killed 70,000+ Japanese.
    The DPRK is also going the plutonium route since they have no hope of enriching uranium.

    And again, even if they have one their is no chance of the Iranian power structure using it. There is certainly no chance of them nuking Israel, that's where most of their holy sites are.

    Fun fact about Iran. They have the largest population of Jewish people in the middle east outside of Israel and actually make sure they take part in the government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syndicated View Post
    They don't NEED enriched uranium to make a bomb. Plutonium is just as viable and will come even if they just run low grade uranium in a standard light water reactor like was mostly supplied by France and now being finished by the Russians.
    "little man" was a plutonium reaction and still killed 70,000+ Japanese.
    The DPRK is also going the plutonium route since they have no hope of enriching uranium.
    Once up and running, the Arak reactor could produce about 9kg of plutonium annually, or enough for about two nuclear weapons each year, if operating optimally, ISIS said.
    http://mg.co.za/article/2012-01-05-i...ium-production

    I guess they are not ones to put all their eggs in one basket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    http://mg.co.za/article/2012-01-05-i...ium-production

    I guess they are not ones to put all their eggs in one basket.
    Would be nice if we had thorium/molten salt reactors...... no chance of creating weapons from that tech. Offer to install that type of tech for power.

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    http://isis-online.org/uploads/isis-...August2009.pdf

    The Arak reactor is a modified Russian design.
    The Bushehr and Tehran are of Russian design.

    Its good to know someone was paying attention to Operation Ajax.

    In the realm of Geo-political changes we have gone full circle,back to 1953.

    The bear is still there and Putin is not going anywhere.
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    On a foot note during last weeks APEC when Putin proposed a muli-reserve currency system stood right out.

    You can bet the banking system took notice though. To slow down OTC trading of CDS.
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