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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    True, the passing of Obamacare sent insurance premiums through the roof. Obama forced insurance companies to provide additional coverage (pre-existing conditions, etc) so they just passed the cost on to us.

    If Obama cannot see how he has increased insurance premiums he is more of an idiot than before. But what I cannot understand is how the Republicans bash his plan while refusing to even acknowledge we have a healthcare problem in this country. If they did, they would have a plan of their own. They don’t.

    My opinion why: Republicans won’t do anything to curtail the profits of any money grubbing business, even when people are dying and going bankrupt. They are fixated on someone possibly getting something for free.
    1st in this post you admit that Obama care caused insurance rates to skyrocket, but then in post 24 you say you can't see why insurance rates would increase by 2 - 3 times. You anwered your own question in this post, Obama care.

    As for Obama being an idiot, oh far from it, he knows exatly what he is doing, what it will cause and what he wants the end result to be. That's what frustrates me about this. Why would he want to do this to his country?

    Why is it that liberals only see the republicans as greedy fat cat business owners? Last time I check many of the richest men in the country were democrates, like Buffet, Gates, Jobs {when he was alive}, talk about a bunch of greedy, money grubbing business owners! Buffet talks about how he pays less taxes than his secretary and everyone should pay more, while at the same time fighting the IRS about over a billion in taxes he owes, Jobs sent most of his manufacturing overseas, and Gates thinks if you put his software on more than one computer you need to buy it. But that's another topic.

    Myself and others have given you plenty of ideas on how to improve healthcare but the only one you see as viable is Obama care. I don't see how it will help healthcare. Only employers of over 50 need ot comply, most of them already provide healthcare. If you don't get insurance through your employer you need to buy it yourself. So if either the individual or their boss have to pay for insurance where does all the expence of Obama care come in, I believe the cost is estimated at $1.2 trillion that it will cost the government. So how does this lower medical costs for anyone, it doesn't!

    As far as how much law suites cost medical care. Think about this. Medical providers have to pay medical malpractice insurance. So when you go t see a Dr and he isn't sure what's wrong with you he orders a battery of tests. These tests aren't all needed but to CYA they get orderd, besides they are covered by "insurance". So now you don't just have to cover part of your Dr insurance but also the testing facility. Sit back close your eyes empty your mind and let that thought sink in. Look at how much is added just because of law suites or in that case trying to avoid them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kls-ccc View Post
    1st in this post you admit that Obama care caused insurance rates to skyrocket, but then in post 24 you say you can't see why insurance rates would increase by 2 - 3 times. You anwered your own question in this post, Obama care.

    As for Obama being an idiot, oh far from it, he knows exatly what he is doing, what it will cause and what he wants the end result to be. That's what frustrates me about this. Why would he want to do this to his country?

    Why is it that liberals only see the republicans as greedy fat cat business owners? Last time I check many of the richest men in the country were democrates, like Buffet, Gates, Jobs {when he was alive}, talk about a bunch of greedy, money grubbing business owners! Buffet talks about how he pays less taxes than his secretary and everyone should pay more, while at the same time fighting the IRS about over a billion in taxes he owes, Jobs sent most of his manufacturing overseas, and Gates thinks if you put his software on more than one computer you need to buy it. But that's another topic.

    Myself and others have given you plenty of ideas on how to improve healthcare but the only one you see as viable is Obama care. I don't see how it will help healthcare. Only employers of over 50 need ot comply, most of them already provide healthcare. If you don't get insurance through your employer you need to buy it yourself. So if either the individual or their boss have to pay for insurance where does all the expence of Obama care come in, I believe the cost is estimated at $1.2 trillion that it will cost the government. So how does this lower medical costs for anyone, it doesn't!

    As far as how much law suites cost medical care. Think about this. Medical providers have to pay medical malpractice insurance. So when you go t see a Dr and he isn't sure what's wrong with you he orders a battery of tests. These tests aren't all needed but to CYA they get orderd, besides they are covered by "insurance". So now you don't just have to cover part of your Dr insurance but also the testing facility. Sit back close your eyes empty your mind and let that thought sink in. Look at how much is added just because of law suites or in that case trying to avoid them.
    We agree on most points. As was said before, we cannot fix this problem as long as we have lobbyists running this country.

    Obama might be an American hating person but do you think Romney could do any better at fixing healthcare. I say no. He cannot stand up to the money flow either. They are two roads to the same ruin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    We agree on most points. As was said before, we cannot fix this problem as long as we have lobbyists running this country.

    Obama might be an American hating person but do you think Romney could do any better at fixing healthcare. I say no. He cannot stand up to the money flow either. They are two roads to the same ruin.
    IDK? Romney is a business man. He KNOWS THE SYSTEM. He turned the the Olympics around from being in the red to being in the black.

    The man DOES HAVE A HISTORY OF MAKING BUSINESS WORK.

    Right now, this country needs a business man, not an amateur community organizer.

    Now back to health care: 5 years ago I was paying $250/month for health care. That included everything except eyes and teeth. ( I barter my dental work with my dentist) after ObamaCare got passed my insurance went to $628/month.

    I do have one small challenge for you: Find ANY government run entity that is MAKING money (excluding the IRS)
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    IDK? I do have one small challenge for you: Find ANY government run entity that is MAKING money (excluding the IRS)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    We agree on most points. As was said before, we cannot fix this problem as long as we have lobbyists running this country.

    Obama might be an American hating person but do you think Romney could do any better at fixing healthcare. I say no. He cannot stand up to the money flow either. They are two roads to the same ruin.
    I wish I could say Romney is the answer to our prayers, but I can't. I feel that until we get good people in the congress and senate that want to improve the country more than stay elected we will be in trouble. The problem I have with Obama is if he wants it done, damn the constitution and he does it by executive order. The founding fathers set up the country with a balance of power so leaders couldn't do what he has done. If the legislature was doing it's job, they wouldn't let him get by with it, and the supreme court would help them. But they don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    The US MINT!

    Nice try LOL, printing money is not MAKING MONEY.....sort of

    actually, they are loosing money to. It now cost 1.75˘ to make a penny? WTF??????
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    "I do have one small challenge for you: Find ANY government run entity that is MAKING money (excluding the IRS)"

    Just an FYI....the IRS is not a government entity, it is a private institution and is no more federal than federal express.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    I do have one small challenge for you: Find ANY government run entity that is MAKING money (excluding the IRS)
    I would like to see how it takes your insurance co three times the premium to operate in the black now. I doubt the cause is lawsuits or salaries. Do you realize every single one of their costs would have to triple to legitimize that increase?

    As for govt making money, that isn’t their purpose. But what comes to mind is the cost difference between our military and say Blackwater. Private enterprise costs way more. How about police, fire and schools. Would they be cheaper if privatized?

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    I love your post, people hate hearing the truth, not to mention make too many excuses of why they can't do this or that. I don't have time to listen to those naysayers and complainers about life. Great Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian GC View Post
    We agree on most points. As was said before, we cannot fix this problem as long as we have lobbyists running this country.

    Obama might be an American hating person but do you think Romney could do any better at fixing healthcare. I say no. He cannot stand up to the money flow either. They are two roads to the same ruin.
    A week or so ago, there was a multi-page article about Romney in 'Time' (yes, that liberal rag). What I came away with is: Romney is a numbers guy (and numbers guys tend to not look real good on TV, they are not charismatic... they do not inspire that rosy feeling BHO does). Back to Romney: Numbers guys crunch numbers (DUH); they look for whether or not a deal works BY THE NUMBERS. If it does... they they take a second look at it... if it does not, they nix it.

    Personally, I like the idea of the govt being run by a numbers guy. If a govt program works BY THE NUMBERS... then it is allowed to continue. If it is a WASTE OF $$$... then it is either fixed or nixed.

    And NO, govt is not supposed to make a profit... however that is not the reason folks say govt should be run line a business. What they mean is 'EFFICIENTLY'... as in cut waste as much as possible. Govt should have an "Why is this necessary" attitude... and ONLY the things PROVEN TO BE ABSOLUTELY NECESSARY continue to get funded... rather than: Oh, throwing a hundred $million at this (which does NOTHING for anyone), cause it gets me votes... so we have to fund it.

    We need to put all those WASTED $$$ collected in taxes and spent on worthless things; To work in the private sector creating jobs and growing the economy. Our system is called FREE ENTERPRISE, not SOCIALISTIC GOVT. We need to run our country as it was meant to be run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    "I do have one small challenge for you: Find ANY government run entity that is MAKING money (excluding the IRS)"

    Just an FYI....the IRS is not a government entity, it is a private institution and is no more federal than federal express.
    Now I know the FED is a private organization... however this is a new one... Care to offer some documentation here? THX!
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    Interesting article... suggests about 30% of every $1 paid in healthcare is waste:

    http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/La...billion-a-year

    Perhaps housecleaning might be a good place to start...

    My Dad passed on to be with Jesus and Mom in July. I was in and out of the hospitals for a few mos before... and I can say without pause that YES, waste is a HUGE thing. They talk about their job... however there is NOT an attitude of thriftyness anywhere I looked. I did mention waste... and got a dirty look from the nurse... go figure.

    Side note: ALL of Dad's docs (all 7 of them) were endlessly reminding me they were NOT liable for this or that... while ordering endless tests and procedures. Either they are greedy, or they are paranoid... you decide.




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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Side note: ALL of Dad's docs (all 7 of them) were endlessly reminding me they were NOT liable for this or that... while ordering endless tests and procedures. Either they are greedy, or they are paranoid... you decide.
    Our private insurance and Medicare will fund endlessly to extend someone's life in their end days. I wonder how Canada's system works when pumping money down that black hole?

    We show no compassion for the costs insurance companies bear, nor do we care if they are paying $20 for a band-aid. I wonder if we would care if it was our tax dollars being spent on gouging hospitals and pharmaceutical companies.

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