Voter ID, why Democrats don't want it

[RoBoTeq]

My great grandfather is 87 years old....he barely walks anymore, and he can't see to drive. If he is to get a voter ID card, someone has to make a special trip to get him in the car, get him out of the car, and expect him to wait in line for who knows how long, the whole time coughing and throwing up around other people.

You tell me Republicans...how is this a free America? Forcing people to do things that they should not have to do in order to utilize a RIGHT that was given to them by our constitution.

Republicans are constantly bashing the rest of the world for instituting communism and socialism, basically calling everyone that is not a republican a slave driver...and yet here they are...doing the very thing they have supposedly sought out to fight.

I am not Democratic....I am not Republican...I am American....and thank you all very much for damning this country with a corrupted two party system, and not having the guts to fight against evil. Thank you all for fighting among yourselves while the real enemy is sitting at our capitol, laughing at the peons they have created....smirking at the foolishness of the people that would rather fight one another than to stand up for what is right and true.

Government is a disease as stated by the original poster's signature...and yet here he is claiming that we need more of it. See through the lies, see through the mockery, and do what's right in your heart...

Are you telling us that your great grandfather has nothing identifying him as to who he is? He has no medical cards or past drivers licenses or social security card or birth certificate......

If not, what's the difference between your grandfather throwing up while getting a voter ID card or throwing up to vote?

You are being very deceitful, young grasshopper.

[AStudent]

I don't think anyone was suggesting an additional ID. Any state issued photo ID would suffice. That could be a DL, passport, prison ID, anything legitimate.


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If that is the case then I was mistaken.

I do not know why anyone would fight this law.

Then again, I don't understand why we just can't control the illegal population and allow felons to vote, that would solve a lot of problems.

[mcjo tech]

Are you saying that no liberal Democrats are property owners, tax payers, or citizen retirees who have paid taxes for at least 20 years? Are you saying that only conservatives are an asset to the nation?

It sure sounds like this is what you are saying.

No

Read it again and note the word NORMALLY

Don't play stupid or try to put words into my mouth.

You know what I meant and that the majority of these people are indeed repubs.

[RoBoTeq]

www.truthaboutfraud.org/pdf/TruthAboutVoterFraud.pdf

Refer to pages 23 and 26 for real voter fraud numbers

The Brennan Center for Justice estimates voter fraud at a whopping .0004 percent here in the US.

Once agian my point:

The Conservlicans are using the voter fraud card as a smoke screen for their real agenda.

Not wanting minorities, students, and the elderly to vote in the November election.

Why do you keep ignoring the question about why these claimed minorities, students and elderly can't identify themselves as to who they are? Is there something about a person of a minority ethnicity that prevents them from being responsible citizens who need to have identification in order to do the most mundane things in life? How do students become students without being able to prove who they are? And do we all just lose our identities when we become elderly?

This leftist rhetoric about being for supporting minorities, students and the elderly is a scam to use those people.

[Pete838]

As is now here in FL, a voter gets a registration card at the library, DMV, or when they register for welfare services. They fill out the card, and turn it in a few weeks before the election. The name is checked against a list of felons with revoked voting rights and a card is issued by mail to the address provided on the form. They take the card to a precinct and cast their vote. No ID required. No citizenship test. No way to know if the same John Smith is registered in all 5 counties surrounding his house under 5 different names. If John was ambitious he could vote as many times as he wanted. With absentee balloting and early voting a few dishonest guys like John could sway an election.

Now imagine if John's voter ID card was linked to his DL#. One man, one vote.

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[mcjo tech]

Why do you keep ignoring the question about why these claimed minorities, students and elderly can't identify themselves as to who they are? Is there something about a person of a minority ethnicity that prevents them from being responsible citizens who need to have identification in order to do the most mundane things in life? How do students become students without being able to prove who they are? And do we all just lose our identities when we become elderly?

This leftist rhetoric about being for supporting minorities, students and the elderly is a scam to use those people.

I have asked and you are unable to answer.

Show me why we need to change the law for voter IDs

Show me your statistics where voter fraud is a problem and is skewing elections.

Just more smoke and mirrors from you to hide your real agenda.

That agenda is to cut back the amount of minorities, students, and elderly who will vote this November.

Your credibilty on this issue is shot.

[RoBoTeq]

So instead of simply allowing people to show a DL and or their SSC at the polls, we are trying to force more BS onto the already burdened working man. If you work during the day how are you going to get your card? Use your lunch to go sit in line at the courthouse or DMV? We already have to do this with vehicle tags, drivers licenses, doctors visits, dentists appointments, and just about anything else you could imagine that needs to get done on regular working hours. Are we supposed to miss out on work to do these things?

It seems to me that the people not working will be able to get their cards much easier than we will....so who are they really hurting?

I have always used my drivers license and SS card to obtain my voter registration card in both Maryland and Pennsylvania. What's the big deal?

One main way for voter fraud to occur is for people to have a list of dead folks still on the voter registration, and have people go to the polls claiming to be a dead person in order to cast a vote. If there is a voter registration with a requirement to show identification as to who you are, this type of fraud can be reduced to nearly nothing.

There is simply no rational argument for a voter not to be able to have as much proof of who they are then is needed for them to buy a pack of cigarettes or to enter some government buildings.

[RoBoTeq]

I don't think anyone was suggesting an additional ID. Any state issued photo ID would suffice. That could be a DL, passport, prison ID, anything legitimate.


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Exactly. Leftists certainly do like to make mountains out of molehills in order to object to things they are told are bad, don't they?

[AStudent]

Yes...I already admitted that I was wrong, I did not realize a person could use their DL at the polls, that's what my main argument was about...that I thought they were trying to force us to get more ID.

[AStudent]

Exactly. Leftists certainly do like to make mountains out of molehills in order to object to things they are told are bad, don't they?

I was not told this was bad, I simply thought you were wanting us to obtain more ID. Even without obtaining more ID, you are still promoting the idea that government should control more of our lives.

I do agree with showing ID at the polls.

[exreo]

Of course, you are right on with your comments. There is no other reason for going against voter ID than to provide cover for illegal voters. I notice that it takes an ID to get in many public buildings and even takes an ID to attend most political events such as an Obama speaking event. I have never actually met anyone who does not have a valid form of ID but then I don't hang out near the Mexican border either.

The democrats are pretty transparent on this one. I fully expect a great deal of voter fraud in this election and I also expect the DOJ of ignore the fraud. After all Obama has all the levels of government well covered with those whom he has oppointed.

But I know in the state of Washington (I recently lived in Seattle 5 years), illegal Mexicans can get a driver's license with no questions asked. Heck, they even make announcements at the DMV in Spanish. So, the illegal Mexican get's his driver's license, and then he gets registered to vote. Let's say he was required to show current I.D. when he goes to vote. OK, he flashes his driver's license and registration card, and he's in. How many millions of illegals could vote this way? So, in that sense, requiring current picture I.D. doesn't prevent illegal Mexicans from voting does it?

[RoBoTeq]

As usual you are tap dancing and slithering around the issue.

I never said there was NO voter fraud.

Voter fraud is neglegible in this country and is not the problem you conservlicans make it out to be as I have linked in my post.

Anyone who states that voter fraud is a major problem in spite of the evidence is obviously completely biased and without any credibility.

Well, even though yout comment did not address anything in my post you quoted, would it still not be better to require allegedly civic minded Americans who are wanting to vote to be able to show proof that they are who they say they are and not some dead person still on the records? What would be the harm? To be against showing no more proof of identification than needs to be shown to any street cop who requests the same really sounds like there is something illegal being planned.

Why would any voter not have some form of ID? To vote is to be a civicly responsible citizen, so why would any civicly responsible citizen not be responsible enough to be able to show proof of who they are?

[RoBoTeq]

No

Read it again and note the word NORMALLY

Don't play stupid or try to put words into my mouth.

You know what I meant and that the majority of these people are indeed repubs.

I am not stupid and I resent your saying that I am.

I responded to what you wrote. If you meant something other than you wrote, that is not my fault or problem.