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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    So, if Romney is not that much different, why not give someone who has actually succeeded in business ventures and who has provided jobs for Americans in the private sector the opportunity to turn around the complete failed debacles that Obama has lorded over on this issue?

    Obama has never done anything in life that is for the betterment of "working" Americans in the private sector. Literally everything that Obama has done in life has only benefitted public sector workers, labor unions and those who live off of sucking on the government teat of Socialism. We at least need someone in office that can work in the direction of developing jobs that will actually pay for all of these Socialist programs.

    If the only difference between Romney and Obama is that Romney can succeed in getting our economy back on the right track, going in the right direction, then why not let Romney do that job that Obama so miserably failed at doing? Romney is a success story; Obama is a failure, where's the problem with deciding who to let do the job?
    They have the same policies. Why change ships when both will lead to the ocean floor. Ones, going to turn slightly to the left and slam the ice burg, the other will turn slightly to the right and slam the ice burg. The damage is done, there is no saving this ship. The problem is over blown government propping up over blown corporations. Both need to fall before we can rebuild. I really don't see why it's hard to see this. Obama has not failed, the American people failed, close onto a hundred years ago, we are just now feeling the effects. Sorry to be the one to burst the bubble.

    Oh yeah, you seem to have the assumption that corporations, which are actually another government created entity are in some way better then government workers. They are the same thing. People abusing power granted by government rules, regulations and laws to gain power and wealth. Both Obama and Romney exploited the government to get where they are. Lets be clear.

    I love free markets. Romney does not stand for free markets. He stands for government supporting corporations through competition destroying regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    They have the same policies. Why change ships when both will lead to the ocean floor. Ones, going to turn slightly to the left and slam the ice burg, the other will turn slightly to the right and slam the ice burg. The damage is done, there is no saving this ship. The problem is over blown government propping up over blown corporations. Both need to fall before we can rebuild. I really don't see why it's hard to see this. Obama has not failed, the American people failed, close onto a hundred years ago, we are just now feeling the effects. Sorry to be the one to burst the bubble.

    Oh yeah, you seem to have the assumption that corporations, which are actually another government created entity are in some way better then government workers. They are the same thing. People abusing power granted by government rules, regulations and laws to gain power and wealth. Both Obama and Romney exploited the government to get where they are. Lets be clear.

    I love free markets. Romney does not stand for free markets. He stands for government supporting corporations through competition destroying regulations.
    Gonna have to disagree with you on Corps and govt being the same...

    A corp has to balance their books, or go broke and cease to exist... a govt just raises taxes whenever they are in a deficit... or prints more $$$; which causes inflation and we have to pay more for what we buy. Not anywhere near the same.

    FDR... that horrible Socialist... said govt workers should NEVER be allowed to unionize... it was just the wrong thing to do. sounds pretty conservative today.

    Now we have govt workers unionized, using their union dues to elect leftist polecats, who give more goodies to govt workers to buy their votes... and the cycle continues... and the taxpayers pay for it.

    Now are you going to try to convince me the GOP is the same? Go ahead... I am listening...
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    A corp has to balance their books, or go broke and cease to exist..

    Not anymore........lol

    They just call up the government and tell them they are fixing to throw a couple thousand folks out onto the street......and whammo..... government money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    A corp has to balance their books, or go broke and cease to exist..

    Not anymore........lol

    They just call up the government and tell them they are fixing to throw a couple thousand folks out onto the street......and whammo..... government money...
    Only if they are on record as donors to the proper group... and not even then... witness the solar panel co that went belly up. I suspect the only viable way to call that a general rule is if the rank and file of employees are part of a union that supports the 'proper' candidate.
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    This has been interesting to watch, and it has moved slightly, as they do in ARP
    So had a quick look, approx 10% of the voting population are on the govt payroll (fed, state, local) so quite a reasonable voting block, how ever, what was more interesting was the low turn out figures for the elections around the 50% of eligible. So regardless if you are left or right, should the focus be on getting those who do not vote, to vote. So if it assumed (which is likely to be wrong) that all govt workers vote, and they all vote left, then practically they have a real voting block of 20%, and that is huge!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by barbar View Post
    This has been interesting to watch, and it has moved slightly, as they do in ARP
    So had a quick look, approx 10% of the voting population are on the govt payroll (fed, state, local) so quite a reasonable voting block, how ever, what was more interesting was the low turn out figures for the elections around the 50% of eligible. So regardless if you are left or right, should the focus be on getting those who do not vote, to vote. So if it assumed (which is likely to be wrong) that all govt workers vote, and they all vote left, then practically they have a real voting block of 20%, and that is huge!!!
    Yes, and if you unionize most of the govt workers... they are more or less guaranteed to vote left...
    Ever wonder why the Dems and Libs want to grow govt... guarantees they stay in power.

    Note they cannot stay in power on the merits of their actions being good for the entire country... rather they have to buy some specific special interest groups to stay in power.

    And folks just will not admit to themselves politics is corrupt... wonder why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    They have the same policies. Why change ships when both will lead to the ocean floor. Ones, going to turn slightly to the left and slam the ice burg, the other will turn slightly to the right and slam the ice burg. The damage is done, there is no saving this ship. The problem is over blown government propping up over blown corporations. Both need to fall before we can rebuild. I really don't see why it's hard to see this. Obama has not failed, the American people failed, close onto a hundred years ago, we are just now feeling the effects. Sorry to be the one to burst the bubble.

    Oh yeah, you seem to have the assumption that corporations, which are actually another government created entity are in some way better then government workers. They are the same thing. People abusing power granted by government rules, regulations and laws to gain power and wealth. Both Obama and Romney exploited the government to get where they are. Lets be clear.

    I love free markets. Romney does not stand for free markets. He stands for government supporting corporations through competition destroying regulations.
    They are not exactly the same. Romney has been a success in building business while Obama has failed to do anything but cost Americans money. I prefer to have a successful business person to a failed beaurocrat in the White House.
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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
    A corp has to balance their books, or go broke and cease to exist..

    Not anymore........lol

    They just call up the government and tell them they are fixing to throw a couple thousand folks out onto the street......and whammo..... government money...
    Every once in a while you post something coherent and worthwhile....this would be one of those times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Yes, and if you unionize most of the govt workers... they are more or less guaranteed to vote left...
    Ever wonder why the Dems and Libs want to grow govt... guarantees they stay in power.

    Note they cannot stay in power on the merits of their actions being good for the entire country... rather they have to buy some specific special interest groups to stay in power.

    And folks just will not admit to themselves politics is corrupt... wonder why?
    What is really hilarious is how many private sector union guys in the trades vote for leftist politicians who basically oppose everything that these hard working, hunting and fishing advocate family guys believe in other than protecting organized labor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Gonna have to disagree with you on Corps and govt being the same...

    A corp has to balance their books, or go broke and cease to exist... a govt just raises taxes whenever they are in a deficit... or prints more $$$; which causes inflation and we have to pay more for what we buy. Not anywhere near the same.

    FDR... that horrible Socialist... said govt workers should NEVER be allowed to unionize... it was just the wrong thing to do. sounds pretty conservative today.

    Now we have govt workers unionized, using their union dues to elect leftist polecats, who give more goodies to govt workers to buy their votes... and the cycle continues... and the taxpayers pay for it.

    Now are you going to try to convince me the GOP is the same? Go ahead... I am listening...
    When has a corporation ever had to balance their books? They can run for decades bleeding money, exactly like government, and if they come even close to failing, government provides them with ways of staying afloat. I'm not even talking about the recent bail outs. Just look at how the corporate bankruptcy work out. They literally either make money, or get rescued by the government. These are the big internationals mind you, not the small local ones.

    You need proof that the gop is the same as the dems? Well lets start with Obama continuing nearly everyone of Bush's policies. You know all that stuff people complain about, it is a continuation of what began under bush, which to be honest started well before he was in office. Democrats and Republicans, both do the exact same thing. Pander to a minority, then do whatever the hell they want. Can you really tell me they don't. Can you actually point to something that will actually change if Romney is elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    They are not exactly the same. Romney has been a success in building business while Obama has failed to do anything but cost Americans money. I prefer to have a successful business person to a failed beaurocrat in the White House.
    Really? What products has he brought to market? What has his great business plan been. Oh its more of the same Big Box retail stores that everyone hates. He's a business man that exploits laws and regulations to drive small businesses that pay good money out of business to be replace by stores like sports authority. The only reason his business have succeeded is because they had the capital to push past regulations that kill small sporting goods stores and the like.

    Y'all keep on acting like the retail minimum wage jobs that where created makes up for the manufacturing jobs that he destroyed, and apparently y'all can't even tell that the only reason places like sports authority flourish, is the same reason why Wal-Mart does, Their size allows them to comply with the government regulations that drive their small local companies out of business. Oh wait, let me guess, y'all still think that big corporations hate regulations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    What is really hilarious is how many private sector union guys in the trades vote for leftist politicians who basically oppose everything that these hard working, hunting and fishing advocate family guys believe in other than protecting organized labor.
    That's because their is no difference between public, and private sector unions. They are all large, political, corrupt organizations, no different then corporations, or governments. Do you really think people that work for the government are some how different then you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfshadow View Post
    When has a corporation ever had to balance their books? They can run for decades bleeding money, exactly like government, and if they come even close to failing, government provides them with ways of staying afloat. I'm not even talking about the recent bail outs. Just look at how the corporate bankruptcy work out. They literally either make money, or get rescued by the government. These are the big internationals mind you, not the small local ones.

    You need proof that the gop is the same as the dems? Well lets start with Obama continuing nearly everyone of Bush's policies. You know all that stuff people complain about, it is a continuation of what began under bush, which to be honest started well before he was in office. Democrats and Republicans, both do the exact same thing. Pander to a minority, then do whatever the hell they want. Can you really tell me they don't. Can you actually point to something that will actually change if Romney is elected.
    Finally someone here has enough vision to see past the corruption of both parties. As long as we have die hard Republicans & die hard Democrats nothing will ever change because just like sheep, we follow the leaders of the pack. We've got one party that doesn't care about stopping illegal votes because it might help them win an election & another party who doesn't care about stopping legal votes because it might help them win an election. What I find hilarious is all the millions of people that back these parties. How can voter ID be a party issue? Could it be that the majority of those that will not have proper ID legal or not, tend to vote for a particular party. The integrity of the election & the right to vote should not be a party issue. You can argue the merits of what should be done but the fact that every Rep. argues one way & every Dem. the other says it all. That's how the Nazi's came to power. People blindly following what the party says is the right thing to do. I myself don't know what is the right thing to do on this issue but I do know just following the party is the wrong thing to do.
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