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  1. #287
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    OK, I have not read all 22 pages... however:

    This came across my Email box... worth watching:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=aZws98jw67g

    Seems there IS proof of voter fraud out there... albeit at a deeper level than voter ID.

    There is NO reason (other than WANTING to rig an election) to not require an ID to vote. And this hardship stuff... pure bunk.

    Folks will figure out how to do what they need to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exreo View Post
    It's hard to think of situations where you not only have to show I.D., but also submit to the humility of getting your I.D. photocopied. Things weren't like this in the 70's and 80's. Now, there is a fear and paranoia in our culture. Times when I must submit to getting my DL or Passport photocopied:

    1. Try to rent an apartment
    2. Try to rent a room at an extended stay motel
    3. Try to rent a room at a cheap hotel like Motel 6 or Super 8
    4. Apply for just about any job--especially temp agencies
    5. Go to take drug test for that job
    6. Try to rent a storage unit
    7. I had to get DL photocopied even when I became member at a discount grocery store
    8. Rent a car at Enterprise
    9. The last 2 out of 3 dentist offices I visited, they insisted on photocopying my I.D.--and I was paying cash!
    10. At the hospital here in Ft. Worth for poor folks--John Petersmith Hospital. You could be dying but if you don't get your DL photocopied, forget it.
    11. Food stamps and other types of welfare.

    We live in a paranoid culture now. 25 years ago, it wasn't necessary to get your DL photocopied anywhere. What have I missed?
    Paranoia is a factor of the human condition...it keeps us alive. We are no more paranoid today than we have been in any past time period. In fact, if anything, we were too lax about watching out for being destroyed from within over the past century. We have been dwelling on externally being destroyed so much that we have not been seeing the erosion of our country from within.

    There has never been a major governmental society that has not been as paranoid of internal destruction, if not more so, then we have been over the past century. We have been being lulled into a false sense of security that government is taking care of us, when in fact, government is the beast we should have been fearing all along.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Paranoia is a factor of the human condition...it keeps us alive. We are no more paranoid today than we have been in any past time period. In fact, if anything, we were too lax about watching out for being destroyed from within over the past century. We have been dwelling on externally being destroyed so much that we have not been seeing the erosion of our country from within.

    There has never been a major governmental society that has not been as paranoid of internal destruction, if not more so, then we have been over the past century. We have been being lulled into a false sense of security that government is taking care of us, when in fact, government is the beast we should have been fearing all along.
    I would agree with one caveat: The luring was and is something between greed and a sense of entitlement. And as of late... the ones I talk to who believe they ARE entitled... they are literally ARROGANT about their sense of their rights.

    It will be a difficult time for the whole country when they are forced off their pedestals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garyed View Post
    Exactly what I've been saying all along. This has nothing to do with stopping illegal voting. It's all about stopping people who tend to vote Democratic. If the poor minorities tended to vote Republican then the Democrats & Republicans would both switch their positions on photo ID's. Neither care about what is right, just about winning an election. How the access to vote vs. the integrity of the election can be split completely among party lines is absurd. Despite what some here have said is obvious, this is a very complex issue. Even the courts are divided on it, yet each party knows the definitive answer. That answer is the only thing that is quite obvious, "Whatever helps us win the election, that's what side we're on".
    It's one and the same thing. People who vote illegally tend to vote Democrat because Democrats use giving away money provided by those who work to those who do not work. While this is being sold as a noble deed of the Democrats, in reality, it is creating more and more Americans to stop trying to do for themselves because the government will just take care of them.

    Our elderly have all of the ID they could ever need because they are in the many Socialist systems that are already in place. The same with our needy. To say that minorities are not responsible enough Americans to be able to produce proper ID is just flat out racist! That leaves those who would vote Democrat in order to get government money....OUR MONEY!!!!.....who are not legally in the U.S.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    I would agree with one caveat: The luring was and is something between greed and a sense of entitlement. And as of late... the ones I talk to who believe they ARE entitled... they are literally ARROGANT about their sense of their rights.

    It will be a difficult time for the whole country when they are forced off their pedestals.
    The creation of "entitlement" to replace "needy" is an old trick of the left. Just as the left replaced "Communist" and "Socialist" with "progressive" to more easily sell their utopian idealism, entitlement takes away the social stigma of the needy. Because there is no longer a social stigma attached to being needy, more and more Americans who may have a tough time of it, but are proud enough to not be considered "needy", are accepting government taking care of them because they can claim entitlement.

    "There will be poor always" may have a lot more meaning to it than we give Jesus Christ credit for teaching us. By not depriving those who have the luxuries of their life's work in order to give more to the poor, do we not encourage those who have to help those who are truly in need without those who have feeling as if they are being robbed?

    We are a benevolent nation of people and always have been. Why do we need government interferring with our benevolence? We can socially take care of our needy without government forcing us to take care of those who are needy as well as those who are greedy.
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    After reading what this lady had to go through, I have to side with the democrats on this one:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...b7e_story.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by exreo View Post
    After reading what this lady had to go through, I have to side with the democrats on this one:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...b7e_story.html
    You should read the comment on the article. Based on what she claims for employment, she would have been required to provide a picture ID to be hired by the school district....I don't buy the story at all either. Owns her home, has a job, no bank account, no credit cards, and no ID....prove you are the one that owns that home!
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    Quote Originally Posted by exreo View Post
    After reading what this lady had to go through, I have to side with the democrats on this one:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...b7e_story.html
    Maybe the thread should read:
    Voter ID, why the Republicans want it
    I see it as a toss up:
    In an attempt to stop voter fraud some legitimate voters will inevitably not get to vote. Whether its out of laziness, fear of the hassle they might encounter, a true hardship or sheer frustration, that will be the outcome. Most of us here I like to think are basing our views on what we think is more important & in the best interests of the country. But make no mistake, its really about what party benefits the most from their position. This issue seems pretty cut & dry on the surface but if you look at it unbiased then it becomes very complex. I consider myself to be pretty logical & I still can't figure out what is in the best interests of democracy on this one.
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    Another example in Michigan of how photo I.D. will not stop illegals from voting.

    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...ns-voter-rolls

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    Funny. I read that as Michigan working to address the issue due to the high numbers of illegals registered.

    Hate to think they would actually stop illegals from voting. How could that be allowed??
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    Quote Originally Posted by exreo View Post
    After reading what this lady had to go through, I have to side with the democrats on this one:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/politi...b7e_story.html
    That's because you are naive and readily bleed for any whiney story. I just got notification for the new ID requirements and it's no worse than what all of us have to go through to get anything done at the DMV.

    You continue to promote advantages of fraud based on the wants of the whiney few outweighing the needs of the many.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ControlsInMT View Post
    Funny. I read that as Michigan working to address the issue due to the high numbers of illegals registered.

    Hate to think they would actually stop illegals from voting. How could that be allowed??
    America's Socialist thinking Democrats don't even refer to those who break the laws of the U.S. by being in the country illegally as illegal immigrants. To keep these criminals of the state from sounding like the criminals they are, Socialist progressives refer to them as "undocumented" Americans.

    In fact, what these illegal immigrants are to Socialist progressives are votes.

    This could be the progressives song for advertizing for immigrants to come to the U.S.; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYss3...yer_detailpage
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    That's because you are naive and readily bleed for any whiney story. I just got notification for the new ID requirements and it's no worse than what all of us have to go through to get anything done at the DMV.

    You continue to promote advantages of fraud based on the wants of the whiney few outweighing the needs of the many.
    I think your republican elitism is showing there. I hate voter fraud and I think the democrats are so without morals or principals that they would welcome every form of fraud to win this upcoming elections. But, yes, count me among the whiney few if you will. I have already stated I don't have $40 for the DL now and I don't have $150 to pay off my red light ticket. I don't have $115 for a passport. I don't have a car and getting to the DMV will be about a 14 mile round trip walk for me. The bus doesn't go there. And I have to go to all this trouble just to vote in a the state of TX where Romney is going to win anyway? Yes, I'm happy to whine about that. I think any form of legitimate I.D. should be accepted except for the Mexican Matricular card or any other kind of I.D.'s that illegal Mexicans use. I have 2 expired passports with my picture on them, 2 expired driver's licenses--one in TX and one in WA with my picture on them, I have an expried U.S. merchant mariners document with my picture on it, I have my FCC First Class Radiotelegraph License with my picture on it, and I also have my SS card without my picture of course. But, that isn't good enough for you big money republican elitist! OK, it's that elitist attitude that almost, I mean ALLLLLLLLLLMost, makes me want to vote for Obambam even though I couldn't stand to be in the same room with the guy. This is what gives fuel to raging democrats argument that big money Karl Rover country club type republicans don't care about the little guy--even the former middle class little guy. And, you know what? This is the one thing the democrats are right about. What republicans are talking about restoring middle class jobs from China and Mexico and all corners of the globe?

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