copper theft

[crazzycajun]

http://www.ksn.com/news/local/story/...Bfq87ZjHw.cspx

what a bunch of crap wtf

[ryan1088]

Is jail getting too crowded over there in Wichita for ac thieves?!??? Wow. Now only if he gets shot while stealing more units....

[SBres22]

$100,000 in damage and 12 months of probation??? Sounds like a good deal to me!

[2sac]

Epa should go after him. They'd go after us...

[mark beiser]

If someone caught him on their property at night, in the act of stealing their air conditioner, and shot him, or just bet the crap out of them, they would almost surely due more hard time than him because Kansas has a weaksauce "Castle Doctrine", and no "stand your ground" law to protect otherwise law abiding citizens defending their person or property.

[2sac]

If someone caught him on their property at night, in the act of stealing their air conditioner, and shot him, or just bet the crap out of them, they would almost surely due more hard time than him because Kansas has a weaksauce "Castle Doctrine", and no "stand your ground" law to protect otherwise law abiding citizens defending their person or property.

In IL, I can only use deadly force to protect myself or another human if in fear of my/their life. I cannot protect my property(this includes pets)

[mark beiser]

In IL, I can only use deadly force to protect myself or another human if in fear of my/their life. I cannot protect my property(this includes pets)

In Texas I can use deadly force to protect my self, family, guests, neighbors, the guy jogging down my street, my house, my property, my neighbors property, my car, my workplace, etc..
There is no requirement to retreat, as long as 3 criteria are met.
(1) I had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used.
(2) I did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used.
(3) I was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used.

I hope to never again been in a situation where taking another human life is an option on the menu, but I'm glad I live in a state where I am protected from prosecution, criminal or civil, if it comes down to that.

I say "again" because a few years ago I did catch a burglar stealing stuff from my tool shed at night.
In the eyes of the law I could have killed him with no legal consequences. Morally I didn't see any justification in taking an unarmed kids life for trying to steel a lawnmower and some yard tools.
If I had caught him breaking into my house, or my service van, the consequences for him may have been very different. You don't F with my home or my livelyhood.

[ryan1088]

In IL, I can only use deadly force to protect myself or another human if in fear of my/their life. I cannot protect my property(this includes pets)

When I was at the Trane school in LaCrosse he referred to IL as the "communist state of IL" as the reason he left. Crazy.

I can't believe after $100,000 worth of damage that it wasn't a felony?!

[ControlsInMT]

Probably played the good old game of seperate charges so individually it wasn't enough to be a felony...bunch of BS. I agree EPA should go after him!

[jdwendling]

How many former GOVENORS have served (or are serving) time in IL???? and we re how many $$$$ in debt??? I better stop or this will be moved to ARP

[Kevin_1963]

Had a job at an inner city KFC - manager walked in one morning and found the place hot and no refrigeration. Went on the roof and found both HVAC units copper cut clean out of the condensers. Also found stubs of copper where the walk in freezer and cooler condensing units were.

[ironpit]

In Texas I can use deadly force to protect my self, family, guests, neighbors, the guy jogging down my street, my house, my property, my neighbors property, my car, my workplace, etc..
There is no requirement to retreat, as long as 3 criteria are met.
(1) I had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used.
(2) I did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used.
(3) I was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used.

I hope to never again been in a situation where taking another human life is an option on the menu, but I'm glad I live in a state where I am protected from prosecution, criminal or civil, if it comes down to that.

I say "again" because a few years ago I did catch a burglar stealing stuff from my tool shed at night.
In the eyes of the law I could have killed him with no legal consequences. Morally I didn't see any justification in taking an unarmed kids life for trying to steel a lawnmower and some yard tools.
If I had caught him breaking into my house, or my service van, the consequences for him may have been very different. You don't F with my home or my livelyhood.

[ga-hvac-tech]

In Texas I can use deadly force to protect my self, family, guests, neighbors, the guy jogging down my street, my house, my property, my neighbors property, my car, my workplace, etc..
There is no requirement to retreat, as long as 3 criteria are met.
(1) I had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used.
(2) I did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used.
(3) I was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used.

I hope to never again been in a situation where taking another human life is an option on the menu, but I'm glad I live in a state where I am protected from prosecution, criminal or civil, if it comes down to that.

I say "again" because a few years ago I did catch a burglar stealing stuff from my tool shed at night.
In the eyes of the law I could have killed him with no legal consequences. Morally I didn't see any justification in taking an unarmed kids life for trying to steel a lawnmower and some yard tools.
If I had caught him breaking into my house, or my service van, the consequences for him may have been very different. You don't F with my home or my livelyhood.

Sometimes I wonder if I should have moved to Houston to take care of my Dad, rather than move him here...

May have to come visit during off season.

[ironpit]

Were you going to bring the guy with you that you want to shoot? I don't think that counts!

[exreo]

In Texas I can use deadly force to protect my self, family, guests, neighbors, the guy jogging down my street, my house, my property, my neighbors property, my car, my workplace, etc..
There is no requirement to retreat, as long as 3 criteria are met.
(1) I had a right to be present at the location where deadly force was used.
(2) I did not provoke the person against whom deadly force was used.
(3) I was not engaged in criminal activity at the time deadly force was used.

I hope to never again been in a situation where taking another human life is an option on the menu, but I'm glad I live in a state where I am protected from prosecution, criminal or civil, if it comes down to that.

I say "again" because a few years ago I did catch a burglar stealing stuff from my tool shed at night.
In the eyes of the law I could have killed him with no legal consequences. Morally I didn't see any justification in taking an unarmed kids life for trying to steel a lawnmower and some yard tools.
If I had caught him breaking into my house, or my service van, the consequences for him may have been very different. You don't F with my home or my livelyhood.

#2 is kind of confusing I think. What if he thought you looked at him funny, and got all in your face? Is that provoking him? If you call him a dumb n___er, and he attacks you, then you have no right to defend yourself? This kind of goes back to the George Zimmerman case. Was Zimmerman provoking Treyvon Martin?

[ICanHas]

I'm sure the $100,000 damage is based on classic list price overinflated prices for retail replacement cost with brand new units quoted by HVAC installers.

The only thing I disagree with that its like quoting the new dealer price of a brand new Fiesta as a damage value for a stolen 1993 Festiva,

EPA should go after him though.
http://www.justice.gov/usao/gan/press/2010/06-15-10.pdf

I support mandatory ozone depletion class on anyone who got caught with refrigeration and A/C crime, so that they can't play that "I was not aware" card the next time which would allow the society to charge them under federal law.

One may slip through with "I didn't know letting out the pssssssssssssst" was bad for the environment" and get away. Plenty of people don't know how A/Cs work and there are plenty who think that running a window A/C on a coffee table would cool the room. So, mandatory class on prohibited venting is an investment that would allow him to get locked up for prohibited venting, which by the way, is a much stiffer penalty.

[newstudent]

"Was Zimmerman provoking Treyvon Martin? "

the court will decide that and, Stand your ground laws will hopefully be rulled unconstitutional; if these types of laws allow vigilanties to go around shooting unarmed teenagers, we dont' need them.

[mark beiser]

"Was Zimmerman provoking Treyvon Martin? "

the court will decide that and, Stand your ground laws will hopefully be rulled unconstitutional; if these types of laws allow vigilanties to go around shooting unarmed teenagers, we dont' need them.

I don't agree with throwing out "stand your ground" laws altogether. I don't know how the Florida law is written, but I'm pretty sure that in Texas following and confronting someone on the street, that was not positively known to be engaging in a crime against a person or property, would be considered to be provoking them, and would smoke a persons "stand your ground" protection.

The problem is, we don't know exactly what happened that led to the physical confrontation. There were not direct eye witnesses, and dead men tell no tails, so we only have one side of the story.
The known events leading up to it sure make it seem fishy though.

[ICanHas]

Criminals have more rights than victims. sad sad sad.

I consider to be threatened If I see someone on my property and he comes towards me when I question what he's doing.

"but the criminal was unarmed...." well you're one stupid idiot if you give the scumbag the time so you can figure out he's armed or not.

[newstudent]

Criminals have more rights than victims......."well you're one stupid idiot if you give the scumbag the time so you can figure out he's armed or not. "

Well following your beliefs, you'd also be pretty stupid to shoot someone and then spend your life behind bars?

Given the number of people found innocent and taken off death row, I'd trust a jury of my peers about as far as I could throw them.