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  1. #40
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    JP just sent a message to you. I've been a pro member for 5 years but usually lurk on the forum reading up on the comments on the site, etc. If I need to resend information again that's not a problem.

    CMC is certified mechanical contractor....that means the license allows everything class a and b air-conditioning contractors can do, and also allows installation and service of gas lines, fuel systems, storage tanks, high pressure lines, etc.

    I am IQ certified with Nordyne since 2007 from the Maytag brand, recently recertified on the Broan brand (I switched to Broan this summer because I really like working with RE Michel, they take good care of me and my customers). The Maytag distribution in this area of florida is NOT RE Michel for those that know they usually handle both brands.
    Who wants to drink from the condensate drain?!?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ddc-junkie View Post
    JP just sent a message to you.

    I really like working with RE Michel, they take good care of me and my customers.
    Brett, I didn't see any message from JP. I did send you an email and just accepted your "friend request". I will be visiting my son and his family over the Labor Day holiday and will discuss the Broan line and his RE Michel discount. Depending on how that goes, I may contact you in a week or two. I'm busy with Medicare medical appointments the first couple weeks of September.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post
    In layman's terms, isn't geothermal really "water-to-air" cooling from buried piping filled with water? Not an option in my Florida neighborhood. Besides being impractical for my house built on a lakefront slab at just a little above sea level, water-to-air is not allowed by my HOA.

    With all the utility company rebates and instant cash from the mfg., the price difference between the "Cadillac" and the "Kia" models in the Trane lineup is just a little over three figures, so I'm not sure the benefit of going with a lower SEER at this time.

    BTW, thanks for the link! Very informative!
    If you are on the water geo makes even more sense if code allows it. Geo can use the water from a lake to cool the condenser w/o having to drill/dig expensive loops. Your utility may even offer big rebates for geo systems because the EER so much more than any air cooled condenser can do. 18+ EER's are common (some go into the 30's) with geo, air cooled units top out at about 14 EER.

    How is the rebate structured with your utility company? At what SEER level do the big rebates come in? Once you get over 16 SEER definitely get the extended warranty. The parts for these units are considerably more expensive than standard units.

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    Deed Restriction Does Not Allow Water-to-Air

    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    If you are on the water geo makes even more sense if code allows it. Geo can use the water from a lake to cool the condenser w/o having to drill/dig expensive loops. Your utility may even offer big rebates for geo systems because the EER so much more than any air cooled condenser can do. 18+ EER's are common (some go into the 30's) with geo, air cooled units top out at about 14 EER.

    How is the rebate structured with your utility company? At what SEER level do the big rebates come in? Once you get over 16 SEER definitely get the extended warranty. The parts for these units are considerably more expensive than standard units.
    Using lake water to cool my home might be a "good idea", but I'm in a deed-restricted community that does not allow it!

    Four figure rebates require 17 SEER or above.

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    Have you looked at the RUUD UPRL- JEC? 17 SEER with some air handlers. See link for matching air handler ratings. I really like the RUUD publishes their performance data on their public website.

    Consumer Sell Sheet

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    Have you looked at the RUUD UPRL- JEC? 17 SEER with some air handlers. See link for matching air handler ratings. I really like the RUUD publishes their performance data on their public website.

    Consumer Sell Sheet
    Not really. I looked at Rheem/Ruud online and asked a couple of local AC contractors to quote me as an option to the line they were "pushing". Was particularly interested in the JEC series, but all they wanted to quote me was the PJL 15 SEER value series (the "cube"). 3.5 ton "cube" was essentially the same price from one dealer as was the 4-ton "cube" quoted by another. With the prices they quoted, it made more sense to go with other dealers who offered the XL20i for not that much more, considering factory rebates and the larger utility rebate.

    But I've since talked to an ex-Trane dealer who explained why he dropped Trane about 6 weeks ago.... customer dissatisfaction with the Hyperion air handler and evaporator coil... leaks, warping, excessive noise, etc. Now would be a good time to re-consider Rheem/Ruud and look for a local dealer. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    Have you looked at the RUUD UPRL- JEC? 17 SEER with some air handlers. See link for matching air handler ratings. I really like the RUUD publishes their performance data on their public website.

    Consumer Sell Sheet
    The 17 SEER only applies to one match-up in a 2-ton. My 4-ton would likely be 14 or 15 SEER, either of which carries the lowest rebate from FPL ($475).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post
    The 17 SEER only applies to one match-up in a 2-ton. My 4-ton would likely be 14 or 15 SEER, either of which carries the lowest rebate from FPL ($475).
    Have you pulled the data from the other manufacturers to make sure there is a 17 SEER matchup @ 4 tons? Getting the 17 SEER rebate from the utility helps a lot with the cost, make sure you are actually getting the 17 SEER on your size unit. Higher ton units have less coil area compared to compressor capacity, this hurts the number of SEER rating matchups.

    Have you considered the York or Carrier?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    Have you pulled the data from the other manufacturers to make sure there is a 17 SEER matchup @ 4 tons? Getting the 17 SEER rebate from the utility helps a lot with the cost, make sure you are actually getting the 17 SEER on your size unit. Higher ton units have less coil area compared to compressor capacity, this hurts the number of SEER rating matchups.

    Have you considered the York or Carrier?
    Yes, I double check the match-up and the SEER on all quotes and verify the FPL rebate.

    York may be popular "up north", but there are no dealers in Florida that I could find. The one Carrier quote I have is from an outfit so big that their overhead on real estate and trucks alone put their proposal on a 16 SEER single stage Comfort series so out of my budget it wasn't funny. LOL

    Waiting on another Carrier quote from a reputable one-man shop up the road a piece (he has 2 techs who help), so I haven't totally written off Carrier as a possibility.

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    Is your 17 SEER goal mostly about getting the rebate or actual energy savings? Dropping from a 4ton down to a 3ton would cut your utility bill and remove more humidity. In 17 SEER+ units the lower tonnage would get a better matchup on SEER. This would be in addition to the blower only having to move 1200CFM instead of 1600CFM. The blower power used is the CUBE of the increase of CFM. I don't have the formula handy but it takes about twice the horsepower to move 1600CFM vs 1200CFM through the same ductwork.

    Your current 3.5 ton system that you stated is barely hanging on keeps up, I'm sure a properly designed/setup 3 ton could keep you just as cool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 54regcab View Post
    Is your 17 SEER goal mostly about getting the rebate or actual energy savings? Dropping from a 4ton down to a 3ton would cut your utility bill and remove more humidity. In 17 SEER+ units the lower tonnage would get a better matchup on SEER. This would be in addition to the blower only having to move 1200CFM instead of 1600CFM. The blower power used is the CUBE of the increase of CFM. I don't have the formula handy but it takes about twice the horsepower to move 1600CFM vs 1200CFM through the same ductwork.

    Your current 3.5 ton system that you stated is barely hanging on keeps up, I'm sure a properly designed/setup 3 ton could keep you just as cool.
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