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    Will I vote to keep Obama? Yes, I will. Certainly NOT because I belive in him or even that I like anything the trollip has to say. I will vote to keep him to get this over with.

    I am sorry, but that strategy sounds plumb nutty to me. To be clear, I am not calling you nutty, but that strategy. The phrase 'suicide justification' comes to mind.
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    Personally I think you should go Republican this time. Not that I think it would do you all that much good. They will look after their business friends, give tax breaks to them, fire a bunch of government workers. But they will not upset the apple cart too much as they do not want rioting in the streets. And that is surely to happen if people's backs are up against the wall with no money, no place to live, cut off from government handouts, no hope of getting a job. And with these deadbeats on the street there will be a lot more houses boarded up reducing house values, causing more loss of value for the ones with a job. People will tighten their grip on their wallet because of the uncertainty dropping the prospect of a recovery. No, much better wave a handkerchief in front of everyone, say things are OK and hope they ride things out till it really gets better out their.

    IRS data suggests that, globally, U.S. nonfinancial companies hold at least three times more cash and other liquid assets than the Federal Reserve reports, idle money that could be creating jobs, funding dividends or even paying a stiff federal penalty tax for hoarding corporate cash.

    The Fed's latest Flow of Funds report showed that U.S. nonfinancial companies held $1.7 trillion in liquid assets at the end of March. But newly released IRS figures show that in 2009 these companies held $4.8 trillion in liquid assets, which equals $5.1 trillion in today's dollars, triple the Fed figure.

    From the companies' point of view, it makes perfect sense these days to hoard cash.

    First, Congress lets overseas profits accumulate untaxed, so long as offshore subsidiaries own the cash. Second, companies have a hard time putting cash to work because fewer jobs and lower wages mean less demand for products and services. Third, a thick pile of cash gives risk-averse CEOs a nice cushion if the economy worsens.

    Given the enduring hard times, you might think that corporations have used up their cash since 2009. But real pretax corporate profits have soared, from less than $1.5 trillion in 2009 to $1.9 trillion in 2010 and almost $2 trillion in 2011, data from the federal Bureau of Economic Analysis shows.

    That is nearly $1 trillion of increased profits over two years, while actual taxes paid rose less than a tenth as much, BEA reports show. Dividends, wages and capital expenditures all grew less than profits, while undistributed profits rose. The result: more cash.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/...86F0GK20120716

    The head of our version of your Federal Reserve has come under criticism for saying corporations should either create jobs and invest in growth or give the 'dead money' to the shareholders as dividends in order for the economy to get going. The same has been said in your country.



    Where are the US jobs? Ask the corporate cash hoarders

    Corporate tax breaks won't boost the economy. If unemployment is to fall, giant companies must invest in job creation

    Even as the need for fresh ideas and action becomes more urgent, politicians stake out tired and familiar ground each month. President Obama's response to poor-if-slightly-improving numbers is to acknowledge that job creation isn't where it needs to be, but will eventually limp back to health. Mitt Romney says the numbers are catastrophic, and if only the US cut taxes for corporations and the rich, and busted unions, we'd open the floodgates to millions of jobs.

    In fact, both approaches only cause more harm – the former because many long-term unemployed are leaving the workforce for good, and the latter because it's a transfer of wealth to people and companies that will hoard money, not spend it.

    The only thing that will bring jobs back is more consumer demand. Demand comes from middle and working-class people spending money. That becomes a lot harder when you don't have a job, are afraid of losing the one you have, or are earning less than you used to for the same work. America's middle and lower classes are tapped out. Despite rising productivity, labour's share of the national income in the US has dropped to the lowest point in recorded history.

    Not only are mega-companies not creating enough decent jobs with this cash, they continue to offshore work and underpay workers. Many are not even rewarding investors or accelerating their growth with the money, thereby causing harm to themselves, according to a recent survey by Ernst & Young. Economists also say that cash hoarding is blocking a recovery in Europe.

    To be sure, the purpose of these companies – and of capitalism itself – is to create profits, not jobs. But as the Great Depression and the Great Recession have demonstrated – and as a famous philosopher-economist once said – capitalism sows the seeds of its own destruction. It's impoverishing the very workers and consumers it needs to expand in the US.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisf...-cash-hoarders

    All the money the governments of the world dumped into the system as stimulus to get the economy going, did it vanish into thin air? No it is sitting offshore.
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    Ok guy's, enough with the name calling. You got your shots in, now leave it be.
    If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what will never be. (Thomas Jefferson 1816)

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    Proverbs 8:15-21

    By ME kings reign and rulers make laws that are just.
    By ME princes govern and all notables who rule on earth.

    I love those who love ME and those who seek me shall find ME.

    With ME are riches and honor, enduring wealth and prosperity.
    My fruit is better than fine gold.
    What I yield surpasses choice silver.

    I walk in the way of righteousness, along the paths of justice,
    bestowing wealth on those who love ME
    and making their TREASURIES full.

    We are not alone. Vote for whom you think is best. It will be God who decides the outcome.
    Regardless of the results, someone else has plans of His own.

    Rulers are sent to be a blessing or a punishment to a nation.

    If a blessing, we should all be thankful.

    If a curse, we better be figuring out the reason why and make appropriate changes, as a nation and as individuals.

    Like every good invention, We did come with a manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfstrike View Post
    "Mitt Romney is the ONLY person whoHe is can solve our nation debt problems and get the economy back on its feet"

    ??????
    where do people get these stupid ideas?

    are these people smoking weed?

    the savior of America is some schlob who was selected for you?

    then, California has Pete Wilson speaking for us.
    Pete Wilson was the guy Californians selected to save their gun rights, then when he was in office, he threw his hands up in the air and said he was under too much pressure to do anything.
    walk off the face of the earth and die.


    "California, the state who gave you Ronald Reagan" - Pete Wilson
    i think republicans need to enroll themselves into Hero Worship Anonymous
    Romney is the best chance we have to right the boat after millions of stupid individuals thought it was a good idea to elect a nobody to ruin....oops run our Country.

    As long as he sticks to Consercative principles he has a good chance to turn our country around.

    Obama was obviously a huge mistake. People like me knew from the start you font let your emotions rule you when voting for your next President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Romney is the best chance we have to right the boat after millions of stupid individuals thought it was a good idea to elect a nobody to ruin....oops run our Country.

    As long as he sticks to Consercative principles he has a good chance to turn our country around.

    Obama was obviously a huge mistake. People like me knew from the start you font let your emotions rule you when voting for your next President.
    don't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Will I vote to keep Obama? Yes, I will. Certainly NOT because I belive in him or even that I like anything the trollip has to say. I will vote to keep him to get this over with.

    I am sorry, but that strategy sounds plumb nutty to me. To be clear, I am not calling you nutty, but that strategy. The phrase 'suicide justification' comes to mind.
    I am sure that this strategy DOES sound strange.
    However, it is what it is.

    There is no more fixing what is broken, and Romney sure aint gonna save the country. Our choice is the left or right head of the same snake.

    You do what you think is best for yourself and your country.
    I'll do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freemind View Post
    I am sure that this strategy DOES sound strange.
    However, it is what it is.

    There is no more fixing what is broken, and Romney sure aint gonna save the country. Our choice is the left or right head of the same snake.

    You do what you think is best for yourself and your country.
    I'll do the same.
    I can understand the concept of collapse/new internal revolution and guillotines working as needed. But,... a revolution may not follow, it could be like germany 1930's where we all just go along with the prevailing power. AND, if the USA falls the whole world would go nuts. God only knows what the Russians and Chinese would do with a lame USA. The middle east could also explode.

    I would rather see you supporting a known party than voting for the enemy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    I can understand the concept of collapse/new internal revolution and guillotines working as needed. But,... a revolution may not follow, it could be like germany 1930's where we all just go along with the prevailing power. AND, if the USA falls the whole world would go nuts. God only knows what the Russians and Chinese would do with a lame USA. The middle east could also explode.

    I would rather see you supporting a known party than voting for the enemy.
    At the end of the day everyone who does vote will vote for the candidate they prefer. If you prefer Obama and the Democrats over Romney and the Republicans that is the way you will vote. If you think socialism is the way to go then you will vote for more of it even if others tell you that it will destroy our country and that Obama is a communist. That doesn't matter if your mind is set.

    If you think that the Republicans today will vote for more spending and more taxes just like the Democrats promise to do then God help us is all I can say. Most don't see it that way and I sure don't. I would prefer a Reagan but I believe and hope that Romney will be far better than both the Bushes were and make a hard turn to the right. We shall see. Thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
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    so... America had a chance of real change from the Tea Party candidates.
    we had real reformers, people like Michelle Bachmann and Ron Paul.

    the republican party leaders come out and say these people are "too radical".
    then, after they reject the reformers, they hold the republican convention and people are giving speeches saying the country is in big trouble, ... can't withstand another 4 years of Obama, and the country needs "radical" change.

    somehow they came to the conclusion that Romney was the right guy for the job.

    so...i guess..we're not looking for real "radical" change, just some kind of status quo "radical" change.

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    Well wolfie I disagree with part of your argument. If Obama gets in again we will get a lot more change than anyone bargained for.

    We would then have knowingly elected a communist for POTUS and Obama will have his mandate for a "change" to a Marxist or communist government.

    I'm sure if Romney wins the conservatives in Congress will demand a sharp turn to the right. We are all domed if Obama wins. Thank you, thank you very much

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    I can understand the concept of collapse/new internal revolution and guillotines working as needed. But,... a revolution may not follow, it could be like germany 1930's where we all just go along with the prevailing power. AND, if the USA falls the whole world would go nuts. God only knows what the Russians and Chinese would do with a lame USA. The middle east could also explode.

    I would rather see you supporting a known party than voting for the enemy.
    I don't long for a "French Revolution". Even Jefferson saw what a horror that type of revolution is and how unproductive it would be.

    You may be right about the people gravitating to whichever power, such as Germany, but then, how is that any different than elections today? Please point out which politicians are following the people's contract, known as the constitutuion.

    What happens in the middle east, is none of my concern unless it would hit our shores. Remember, we are NOT the world's nanny or police force. How they run their country, is frankly none of our business. If they want to keep in power, tyrants that kill them and make them suffer, then that is their perogitive. China and Russia know they could never "takeover" our country. Just could never happen.

    I would MUCH rather vote for someone that adheared to the constitution. That isn't an option anymore. So, I'll do my part to bring about REAL change. No more staus quo.

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    Well, I watched Romney speak and I think he did well. I especially like his comment in which he stated that we need an AMERICAN to run this country....perhaps eluding to the fact that Obung hole is not American.

    I also like Clint Eastwoods comments.
    "The road to Hell is paved with progressive policies."

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