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  1. #53
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    Quote Originally Posted by zxcb View Post
    What is this "fleeing and looting" you speak of?
    When you outrun the cops in a vehicle

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hace Frio View Post
    My business that is doomed to fail is still above water. I'm fully insured and have one van and awaiting my contractors liscence. It is very slow getting customers but not in a hurry because I'm being subcontracted now 3-4 days a week with a good company. I am starting to market myself and get the word of mouth out about my business.
    Translation:

    "I took your advice and I am working as a subcontractor for another company, and they are helping me when I get stuck. Yes, I have formed my own company, but as of yet I have no idea how I can get enough work on my own to equal what I am getting as a sub."

    Is that about right?
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  3. #55
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    A subcontractor for another ac company is a glorified employee. Also you are n a 1099 whoop ti do..

  4. #56
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lightning_Boy View Post
    Hace Frio,

    Chin up mate, I understand the frustration of trying to break into this trade with no connections. I too seriously considered hanging out my own shingle when pounding the pavement and getting rejections left right and centre. Hell I would love to start up my own shop but I'm nowhere near ready.
    Make the best of this experience but be honest with yourself and your earnings. You might knock out a few easy repairs a day bringing several hundred dollars a time. but after materials, parts, equipment, 1099 or taxes, fuel, book keeping (once you have more customers), marketing, insurance...etc etc
    You will be disappointed at how little you've actually made. A lot of guys bumble through business and use "fuzzy logic" or "feel" like they are doing okay or making some money.
    Sad fact is these guys never drill down to their true costs and work a plan to maintain net profit.

    Keep looking for a good company to get on board with whilst doing what your doing. Being part of a good hvac business will teach you so much more than just technical stuff.

    Best of luck
    Well said!
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  5. #57
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Translation:

    "I took your advice and I am working as a subcontractor for another company, and they are helping me when I get stuck. Yes, I have formed my own company, but as of yet I have no idea how I can get enough work on my own to equal what I am getting as a sub."

    Is that about right?
    Yes, so now is the fun part to find customers!

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    one man show is not easy did it for many years..... now I have 12 tecs and more time off....... way more stress though..... lol
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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    Quote Originally Posted by carmon View Post
    one man show is not easy did it for many years..... now I have 12 tecs and more time off....... way more stress though..... lol
    HA...I have six full time employees, and less free time and more stress than ever...
    Technical incompetence is NOT a sales tool....

  8. #60
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    Please stop replying with butt head remarks. Take everybody's advice and get more experience.

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    oh my wo made butt head remarks.........
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

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    Its in regards to the original poster. He doesn't sound too concerned about lawsuits. We all gotta do what we gotta do but lets take the proper steps first .

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    Do you know how to make metal? Condensers aren't very complicated to change out, but coil/furnace/AH is another story. I have seen simple coil change outs that turn into a PITA and require some tricky metal work, suppose you could always pay some one else to make it for you

    I took an online course, which I'm well aware is not as good as hands on. What I came away with was a good strong understanding of the theory of air conditioning. How electricity works, heat transfer, what the components are of an air conditioning system, what they do, and how they work. I've only been in this field for 6 months, and with one company, and what I've found so far is there are quite a few guys with a good amount of experience, who have only moderate, to little, to no knowledge when it comes to the conceptual physics of air conditioning, or just the refrigeration cycle in general. Now when it came down to actually knowing how to do something on an AC system, I came in knowing Jack Spit. Even though I've learned a lot over six months, I still feel as though I am just scratching the surface. Just learning how to be a good tech is enough to keep your hands full, but there is also installation and sheet metal, and being able to be a good sales man as well. There is a lot of depth to this field. IMO... any one who is serious about this career should start at the bottom and work their way up, in order to become a solid well rounded technician. JUST SAYIN"!

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    No,, But im rooting 4 U.

    I do know u can get a tax id in 15 minutes online since that hated president took office. Cut out that red tape. No need for legal zoom that much or we the people franchises.
    And in 2014 U wont have to take most of your Bankroll and spend on health care for your First 50 employees. So there is a chance more than ever. Go with a original name and get quickBooks Online. And when it concerns insurance ask about Bplus ratings U will save Big. Dont lock yourself into anything U see on TV. 9 out of ten times U will be paying for that commercial. qb - is an exception but dont buy do the 12 monthly online.
    Goog docs will be your reception in beginning and gmail will be your memory/.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hace Frio View Post
    Maybe you guys are talking commercial service but for residential service come on... You go there find the leak , evacuate , fix leak , charge system , change a capacitor or control board.. changeout a compressor here and there. Make sure the electric is juiced where it should be. They teach you in school all that basic stuff. I don't plan on doing big jobs just basic residential service.
    And what happens when you get to a call that has none of the issues above such as ducting and airflow problems? I doubt that was covered in depth in your first year of schooling. I know my first year of school did not go very deep in to measuring and analysing these problems, never mind solving them.

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