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    High End heat Pump - Trane XL20i Versus Amana ASZC18

    Sizing considerations and price aside, which unit will provide the best comfort and efficiency, as well as peace of mind and long life in the corrrosive environment of Central Florida's East Coast?

    Looking into quotes on 4-ton replacements for my old 3.5 ton Rheem and need a comparison of Trane XL20i with the Amana ASZC18. Not interest in the Trane XL16i at all.

    Any experienced installers have a preference, and why?

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    Trane XL20i all the way, two compressors vs the Amana two stage. The Trane aluminum coil is also going to be much better in a corrosive environment and with Trane you can purchase up to a 12 year parts and labor warranty, Trane is the only company that I know of that will warranty equipment within 1 mile of salt water because their equipment just stands up better to corrosion in my experience. The XL20i also looks to be more efficient if I have the right amana combination. The trane unit is also fully communicating and a two compressor unit will dehumidify better than a 2 stage unit.
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    I tend to shy away from Amana/goodman just from past experience. They have price down but the quality is not there IMO, no offense to any goodman dealers

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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyHeating View Post
    Trane XL20i all the way, two compressors vs the Amana two stage. The Trane aluminum coil is also going to be much better in a corrosive environment and with Trane you can purchase up to a 12 year parts and labor warranty, Trane is the only company that I know of that will warranty equipment within 1 mile of salt water because their equipment just stands up better to corrosion in my experience. The XL20i also looks to be more efficient if I have the right amana combination. The trane unit is also fully communicating and a two compressor unit will dehumidify better than a 2 stage unit.
    Thanks! I value your opinion as an installer! The Trane Comfort Specialist who so far is #1 on my list of installers won't sell one with an extended warranty in my area unless it's the Coastal warranty, which is about 25% more than the standard 10 year extended warranty. That way there's no chance for the mfg to claim corrosion as "not covered" in the fine print of the warranty. I wonder if Amana offers anything similar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    I tend to shy away from Amana/goodman just from past experience. They have price down but the quality is not there IMO, no offense to any goodman dealers
    Thanks! I value your opinion as an installer! I'll let the Amana dealer give me an estimate, because he's a Comfort Institute member and is offering FREE whole house evaluation and testing as part of the estimating process. BUT.... I'm still leaning toward the Trane, even though I'm sure it costs more to install. I'm more interested in long term reliability!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post
    Thanks! I value your opinion as an installer! I'll let the Amana dealer give me an estimate, because he's a Comfort Institute member and is offering FREE whole house evaluation and testing as part of the estimating process. BUT.... I'm still leaning toward the Trane, even though I'm sure it costs more to install. I'm more interested in long term reliability!
    I have to once again imply that the cheapest, low efficiency unit on the market if installed on a properly sized and sealed duct system and installed properly will give much better efficiency and reliability than the most high dollar, efficient system system on the market if not sized ducted and installed properly. I've seen Amanas last 25 years, goodmans last 25 years, trane's last 25 years etc I've also seen all of them last 5 8 10 years. This is why we stress so much on proper sizing and installation.
    Last edited by jtrammel; 08-20-2012 at 06:41 PM. Reason: Left sum thin out

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post
    Thanks! I value your opinion as an installer! I'll let the Amana dealer give me an estimate, because he's a Comfort Institute member and is offering FREE whole house evaluation and testing as part of the estimating process. BUT.... I'm still leaning toward the Trane, even though I'm sure it costs more to install. I'm more interested in long term reliability!
    Also the comfort institute member should give you a list of improvements from most beneficial to least beneficial to you. This process will produce some "sticker shock" but they are just giving you options of how efficient you want your home to be. It is your choice to decide what's best for you

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    IThis is why we stress so much on proper sizing and installation.
    You needn't stress so much on my account! LOL I got it! I got it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Also the comfort institute member should give you a list of improvements from most beneficial to least beneficial to you. This process will produce some "sticker shock" but they are just giving you options of how efficient you want your home to be. It is your choice to decide what's best for you
    As with anyone offering something worth $300 for nothing, I'm already prepared for "sticker shock" as to what I'm imagining he'll recommend.... Amana equipment (less expensive than Trane) in combination with complete ductwork replacement (money in his pocket). Of course, my decision is my decision and my ductwork will not be completely replaced... tweaked with dampers and re-routing one duct, yes, but not replaced.

    I've already warned the guy that if he breaks anything that isn't broken in an attempt to prove I need to spend lots of money, he'll be on the evening news as a scammer and should be prepared to reimburse me for damages and tell it to the judge if he doesn't. He promised he wouldn't do that, but hasn't called me back to confirm an appointment yet. He established rapport with me by talking on the phone for over 20 minutes, first about Amana, then about "personal" stuff.... he's retired military (civil engineering) and we have some work history in common. I'll give him until tomorrow afternoon before I write him off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post
    Thanks! I value your opinion as an installer! BUT.... I'm still leaning toward the Trane, even though I'm sure it costs more to install. I'm more interested in long term reliability!
    FL East Coast within about 2 miles of the ocean is Obviously a Very Hostile Environment.

    TRANE should provide a service life 2 to 3X many of the other manufacturers.


    OR you can have the condenser coils coated as a Special Feature.
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    You may have scared him off but in any case he is going to look at the entire house, not just hvac, and offer improvements. This is what we are trained to do, look outside the box (hvac) and look at the whole house as a system which it is

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan sw fl View Post
    FL East Coast within about 2 miles of the ocean is Obviously a Very Hostile Environment.

    TRANE should provide a service life 2 to 3X many of the other manufacturers.


    OR you can have the condenser coils coated as a Special Feature.
    Yep, I've lived in Tampa and on the East Coast. It seems the combined effects of the intracoastal waterway and the Atlantic Ocean make East Coast corrosion a much greater concern than on the Gulf Coast.

    Thanks for your advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    You may have scared him off but in any case he is going to look at the entire house, not just hvac, and offer improvements. This is what we are trained to do, look outside the box (hvac) and look at the whole house as a system which it is
    Didn't mean to scare him.... I was laughing when I said it.... just wanted to keep him honest... just in case he was imagining he'd get over on an old lady and make some quick cash... which I told him I didn't expect to be the case.

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