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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    no the 5" filters are made to fit in a regular filter grille
    I wonder why I've never heard of this until now? Here's a cool video showing how it's done!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJ0dte_z-Y

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florida Joy View Post
    I wonder why I've never heard of this until now? Here's a cool video showing how it's done!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOJ0dte_z-Y

    yuup. they are excellent, and they clean the entire duct system, not just the equipment.
    I've been selling them for years. I love them. I use the honeywell series fc40
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    Quote Originally Posted by vstech View Post
    yuup. they are excellent, and they clean the entire duct system, not just the equipment.
    I've been selling them for years. I love them. I use the honeywell series fc40
    Correction; filter grills "keep" entire duct system from getting dirty....IF THE DUCT SYSTEM IS COMPLETELY SEALED OF ALL AIR INFILTRATION POINTS!

    Two things that must be considered when using filter grills:


    1. Duct system needs to be sealed, air tight, throughout the entire system between the filter grill and the system blower. This means that every connection, screw hole etc. must be either sealed with a sealant or taped...or both, to prevent ANY amount of air being drawn into the system without having to pass through the filter.
    2. A filter grill must be larger than a filter installed at the air handler/furnace. The static pressure drop of the ducting and the free area space of the filter grill must be taken into consideration for proper filtration. The surface area of a typical filter grill needs to be about 40% larger than that of a filter located at the blower source.
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    FIRST and most important fact is __ NEVER USE FILTRETE ! or any filter more than MERV 7 which creates an initial dP >0.2".
    You're asking for problems created by very low air flow in many/most situations ! !!


    5 inch filter should last AT Least a Year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan sw fl View Post
    FIRST and most important fact is __ NEVER USE FILTRETE ! or any filter more than MERV 7 which creates an initial dP >0.2".
    You're asking for problems created by very low air flow in many/most situations ! !!


    5 inch filter should last AT Least a Year.
    Higher MERV rated filters are fine as long as they have enough surface area to not cause issues with air flow. The most restrictive filter "can" be just fine as long as it is large enough. Unfortunately, with some of these filters on the market, they would have to be five times as large as they are to not cause air flow issues.

    How long a filter lasts is completely up to the conditions of each individual home. A filter that barely gets dirty after a year in one home can very well be needed to be changed within a month in another home. With 5" filters, I always suggest checking them quarterly for the first year to determine how well they are going to do over time.
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    Another note on filter grilles. Returns need to be ducted to use a filter grille. Loose framed chases or wall cavities are a bad choice for a filter grille. I usually move the filter to the unit when I run across these situations.

    I run Aprilaire media filters on both of my units. I have sheading dogs who love to lay near the return. 2-3 months is about it here.

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    What I meant was, would having all 3 filters be a problem... the 5" filter in the Trane cabinet AND two 20 x 20 Filtrete paper filters?
    If U use filters in the conditioned areas or in the Return ducts, U should not use a filter in the furnace/air handler; - double filtering increases the static pressure way too much.

    Two large filter racks in the conditioned area with the deep filters will do a great job filtering, along with being very efficient.

    Yes, the returns are best ducted...
    Last edited by udarrell; 08-18-2012 at 02:42 PM. Reason: Typos...

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    Quote Originally Posted by udarrell View Post
    If U use filters in the conditioned areas or in the Return ducts, U should not use a filter in the furnace/air handler; - double filtering increases the static pressure way too much.

    Two large filter racks in the conditioned area with the deep filters will do a great job filtering, along with being very efficient.
    As long as you design the duct for it it will not increase static to much. I have a customer that I installed has 3 filter grilles with 1" fiberglass and a 5" at furnace. Runs at .5 static

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    As long as you design the duct for it it will not increase static to much. I have a customer that I installed has 3 filter grilles with 1" fiberglass and a 5" at furnace. Runs at .5 static
    They have cats and dogs so they use the 1 inch filters to catch hair and change them once a month. The 5" gets changed once a year at fall prev maint and it never looks dirty

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    As long as you design the duct for it it will not increase static to much. I have a customer that I installed has 3 filter grilles with 1" fiberglass and a 5" at furnace. Runs at .5 static
    It is always a bad move to have two points for filtration, and it is completely unnecessary. I'd like to know where you are measuring the SP on this system.
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    Return plenum between filter case and blower compartment and high temp limit switch in heat exchanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtrammel View Post
    Return plenum between filter case and blower compartment and high temp limit switch in heat exchanger.
    Must be an oversized return ducting and filters, which is good. Still, if you have a filter grill, why do you need another filter? If the duct is leaky, then the filter grills are useless.
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    The customer was worried about pet air getting into the newly installed and sealed duct from the filter grille to the furnace media filter and didn't want the expense of 3 fc40s so we sized it accordingly and did it that way.

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