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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    The answer to me is simple and the law already exists. If you and I are business partners and you are a judge - you cannot rule on a case involving me or our business together. Why? Because to do so represents A Conflict Of Interest.

    Simple, basic, existing law.

    OK; so from now on, anyone who takes direct-payment non-salary money from the government in any form - cannot cast a vote, for the period of time they are receiving funds, and for one year following the conclusion of the payments.

    All we need to do is to apply and enforce the existing conflict of interest laws.
    Sure judges and politicians excuse themselves when there is a conflict of interest. But do they excuse themselves from everything when they have a conflict in one area? So a worker gets a check from the government (and they may even work for it) does that exclude them from voting for or against a party that plans to go to war as one example? And what about private companies that do work for the government, say building roads, buildings, anything military, heck even making paper? If I work for one of these companies or own one and one political party is going to help insure my job by buying our products who do you think I am going to vote for? In the end most people would be excluded from voting and you would have a lot of stay at home mothers deciding on the direction of the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cehs View Post
    VERY interesting, I like the concept.
    I wish it were that simple to follow up, but to take the vote away from welfare people would incite a riot.
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    There is not enough sky to contain the smoke of the riots cehs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exreo View Post
    It is going to be increasingly difficult for the republicans to make the case that hard work, independnce, freedom to pursure you dreams, etc., is the American dream. Why? Thousands of jobs are being shipped out of this country each and every day to China and Mexico. And, thousands of Mexicans and Asians are coming each and every day to take the jobs that still do exist in America. America business would rather hire anybody but people born and raised in America. Republicans are just as much at fault for this as democrats. Republicans were the ones who signed the most recent free trade agreements with Panama, Korea and Columbia. The results will be thousands of middle class American jobs lost while the rich elite republicans get richer--and of course rich elite democrats. Ryan wants to get people off of welfare and into work, but where are the jobs? 50% of college graduates can't even find a job in their own field, and that even includes electrical & mechanical engineers now.

    This makes it increasingly likely that folks will vote for government handouts and assistance, and thus vote for Obambam. No one is really talking about the root problem in middle class jobs and that is stopping the outflow of middle class jobs and the inflow of foreign workers.

    In the Ft. Worth, TX area:

    Mexicans mostly do the wiring of new houses and commerical buildings
    Mexicans mostly do the plumbing of new houses and commerical buildings
    Mexicans mostly do the carpentry work of new houses and commerical buildings
    Mexicans do ALL the concrete work of new houses and commercial buildings
    Mexicans do mostly all the roofing of new houses and commerical buildings
    Mexicans do ALL the brick laying of newh ouses and commerical buildings
    And when it comes to the HVAC work of new houses and commericla buildings.... Well, there are still a few native white guys left believe it or not.
    And all due to capitalism. Supply and demand, the cost of wages and prices are set with demand. From the start of your country to the 1960's people's wages have gone up and their standard of living has also. There was a limited amount of workers and plenty of jobs so wages had to be higher which attract people to your country and immigration created growth, the immigrants want the same things the rest have. (therefor my statement oin another thread about there being too many Americans. Because you have more people than jobs you are not going to get the growth you have had in the past. More on this later)

    But in the late 70's you start seeing the free flow of capital out of the country to undeveloped countries. Why? Because more profit can be made there. Why the change? Because these countries were opened up to capitalism. Since the 70's, unlike the hundred plus years before, people's wages failed to increase above the rate of inflation. Household income just barely kept up but rather than having one breadwinner now both adults need to work to make ends meet. And what has helped (and in the end harmed) people to keep up their standard of living (and thereby increasing the standard of living)? Easy credit.

    So what does a country do to artificially boost their economy? Reduce borrowing costs and encourage consumption. Or throw a lot of money into the economy as in stimulus packages, make work programs, infrastructure building. The business community love theses things as it means more money to them even when they complain of higher taxes. From my investment firm this week.

    Stock markets in North America and around the world advanced this week on improving investor optimism.

    Growing confidence that Europe would take steps to resolve its debt and economic issues helped fuel equity market gains. Investors also continue to expect that global monetary authorities are likely to provide support for the economy in the face of slowing growth.
    'Provide support', another phrase for printing up more money so we can spend it and they (I am part of the 'they' I guess, although a small part) get it while 'we' have to cover the increase in money supply as government debt. And do you know where the money comes from? The investors that are so happy that the governments are going to increase the money supply (which they will get back when we buy things, and on their investment in government bonds). And the economy keeps going.

    But in all this time the middle class shrinks and the wealth gets concentrated in the hands of a few people. And how do those people see things? Well the mature economies are tapped out in terms of growth but the emerging economies have a much greater potential. So where do you think the investment is going to go? And do you think who gets elected has anything to do with it? Supply and demand. There is little supply of money to mine in these here lands, time to look for greener pastures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And all due to capitalism. Supply and demand, the cost of wages and prices are set with demand. From the start of your country to the 1960's people's wages have gone up and their standard of living has also. There was a limited amount of workers and plenty of jobs so wages had to be higher which attract people to your country and immigration created growth, the immigrants want the same things the rest have. (therefor my statement oin another thread about there being too many Americans. Because you have more people than jobs you are not going to get the growth you have had in the past. More on this later)

    But in the late 70's you start seeing the free flow of capital out of the country to undeveloped countries. Why? Because more profit can be made there. Why the change? Because these countries were opened up to capitalism. Since the 70's, unlike the hundred plus years before, people's wages failed to increase above the rate of inflation. Household income just barely kept up but rather than having one breadwinner now both adults need to work to make ends meet. And what has helped (and in the end harmed) people to keep up their standard of living (and thereby increasing the standard of living)? Easy credit.

    So what does a country do to artificially boost their economy? Reduce borrowing costs and encourage consumption. Or throw a lot of money into the economy as in stimulus packages, make work programs, infrastructure building. The business community love theses things as it means more money to them even when they complain of higher taxes. From my investment firm this week.



    'Provide support', another phrase for printing up more money so we can spend it and they (I am part of the 'they' I guess, although a small part) get it while 'we' have to cover the increase in money supply as government debt. And do you know where the money comes from? The investors that are so happy that the governments are going to increase the money supply (which they will get back when we buy things, and on their investment in government bonds). And the economy keeps going.

    But in all this time the middle class shrinks and the wealth gets concentrated in the hands of a few people. And how do those people see things? Well the mature economies are tapped out in terms of growth but the emerging economies have a much greater potential. So where do you think the investment is going to go? And do you think who gets elected has anything to do with it? Supply and demand. There is little supply of money to mine in these here lands, time to look for greener pastures.
    So should I follow my dream and buy a cattle ranch in Uruguay?
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    you need to read a little more carefully

    "OK; so from now on, anyone who gets DIRECT-PAYMENT, NON-SALARY money from the government in any form - cannot cast a vote, for the period of time they are receiving funds, and for one year following the conclusion of the payments."

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Sure judges and politicians excuse themselves when there is a conflict of interest. But do they excuse themselves from everything when they have a conflict in one area? So a worker gets a check from the government (and they may even work for it) does that exclude them from voting for or against a party that plans to go to war as one example? And what about private companies that do work for the government, say building roads, buildings, anything military, heck even making paper? If I work for one of these companies or own one and one political party is going to help insure my job by buying our products who do you think I am going to vote for? In the end most people would be excluded from voting and you would have a lot of stay at home mothers deciding on the direction of the country.
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    And also -

    We need to have a national-draft system in place. Everybody serves. 18-20 years old: public service, 20-22 years old: military service. Moral objectors can do a military-esque peace corp type of service.

    Then every taxpayer from 25 to 65 years forms a pool of people from whom we draft 500 people every five years to replace their existing representative in congress. We would have 500 identical houses and cars in DC for their use. Those 500 citizens would meet for 2000 hours every year to decide on how to best represent their constituents back at home. Anyone drafted for this duty would then be ineligible to be drafted for the rest of their lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    We need to have a national-draft system in place. Everybody serves. 18-20 years old: public service, 20-22 years old: military service. Moral objectors can do a military-esque peace corp type of service.

    Then every taxpayer from 25 to 65 years forms a pool of people from whom we draft 500 people every five years to replace their existing representative in congress. We would have 500 identical houses and cars in DC for their use. Those 500 citizens would meet for 2000 hours every year to decide on how to best represent their constituents back at home. Anyone drafted for this duty would then be ineligible to be drafted for the rest of their lives.

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    Not saying your concepts are bad, but the process of making it law is rather impossible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And all due to capitalism. Supply and demand, the cost of wages and prices are set with demand. From the start of your country to the 1960's people's wages have gone up and their standard of living has also. There was a limited amount of workers and plenty of jobs so wages had to be higher which attract people to your country and immigration created growth, the immigrants want the same things the rest have. (therefor my statement oin another thread about there being too many Americans. Because you have more people than jobs you are not going to get the growth you have had in the past. More on this later)

    But in the late 70's you start seeing the free flow of capital out of the country to undeveloped countries. Why? Because more profit can be made there. Why the change? Because these countries were opened up to capitalism. Since the 70's, unlike the hundred plus years before, people's wages failed to increase above the rate of inflation. Household income just barely kept up but rather than having one breadwinner now both adults need to work to make ends meet. And what has helped (and in the end harmed) people to keep up their standard of living (and thereby increasing the standard of living)? Easy credit.

    So what does a country do to artificially boost their economy? Reduce borrowing costs and encourage consumption. Or throw a lot of money into the economy as in stimulus packages, make work programs, infrastructure building. The business community love theses things as it means more money to them even when they complain of higher taxes. From my investment firm this week.



    'Provide support', another phrase for printing up more money so we can spend it and they (I am part of the 'they' I guess, although a small part) get it while 'we' have to cover the increase in money supply as government debt. And do you know where the money comes from? The investors that are so happy that the governments are going to increase the money supply (which they will get back when we buy things, and on their investment in government bonds). And the economy keeps going.

    But in all this time the middle class shrinks and the wealth gets concentrated in the hands of a few people. And how do those people see things? Well the mature economies are tapped out in terms of growth but the emerging economies have a much greater potential. So where do you think the investment is going to go? And do you think who gets elected has anything to do with it? Supply and demand. There is little supply of money to mine in these here lands, time to look for greener pastures.
    I am a little confused Printer. On one hand you seem to support socialism in the form of healthcare and other matters, on the other hand you seem to support the concept of capitalism on a global scale without borders. I am missing something you are trying to say.
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    A lot of things will be different when I am king. But I guess we will have to wait until then for commonsense and reason to prevail in government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    A lot of things will be different when I am king. But I guess we will have to wait until then for commonsense and reason to prevail in government.

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    At this point I would almost be inclined to choose a wise king over a foolish bureaucracy,
    "You boys are really making this thing harder than it has to be". Me

    "Who ARE you people? And WHAT are you doing in my SWAMP!?" Shrek

    Service calls submitted after 3PM will be posted the next business day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    So should I follow my dream and buy a cattle ranch in Uruguay?
    If I knew that I would be down there saying giddy-up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    "OK; so from now on, anyone who gets DIRECT-PAYMENT, NON-SALARY money from the government in any form - cannot cast a vote, for the period of time they are receiving funds, and for one year following the conclusion of the payments."

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    And how is it any different someone getting a check from the government directly or someone getting their check from a company that is getting its money from the government?
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And how is it any different someone getting a check from the government directly or someone getting their check from a company that is getting its money from the government?
    I think his premise and he can correct me if I'm wrong is if you are actively working for the government you can vote, but if you are getting any form of government assistance that you are not currently working for then you dont get to vote.

    I wonder if he also means retired people who worked their whole lives and are now receiving social security do they get to vote?

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