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  1. #14
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    I live in Canada, socialized healthcare abound!
    I can tell you without a doubt that the death panels I go in front of everytime I have to see the doctor are brutal. I basically have to beg for my life once a month to get a new inhaler prescription.
    What's worse, in the waiting room, there are so many people dying they built a morgue right beside the clinic, what a smell! The ones with pre-existing conditions have it the worst, the government workers just take them out back and shoot them...
    Sarah Palin was right, we're all basically wards of the state up here... Mindless drones really!

    OR

    When I need to see a doctor, I go to the walk-in clinic, wait 45 mins to an hour and I'm out quickly with out paying or signing anything.
    When my dad got diverticulitis, he went to the ER and was admitted in 15 mins.
    It's not perfect, but I'll take it any day of the week.
    Not worrying about going bankrupt from a broken leg because my employer hasn't provided me with insurance - priceless!

    The way I see it is government and citizens have 2 choices. Socialized medicine, or a large powerful military. No country can afford both in perpetuity

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    If you want to see the real "death panels", look in the corner offices and board-rooms of Humana, United Healthcare, and BCBS.
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

    -Thomas Jefferson

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    How does healthcare work in Caledonia?
    Great, in Caledonia WI Area Doctors falling all over themselves to help. Were it not for having to pay for all the freeloaders prices would also be much better. Friends in Canada say theirs
    sucks even with the insane amount they are paying in taxes.

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    OH, I thought you were from Scotland. So you weren't really speaking from experience, you were just repeating healthcare industry propaganda.
    "There is no greater inequality than the equal treatment of unequals."

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    It doesn't suck here in Canada. Sure we pay a lot of tax to pay for it, and like any government service, there are many aspects that could be improved upon.
    But we don't have to pay out of pocket, and health care is a right here, not a priveledge dependent on your ability to pay or your brand of insurance.
    Even in no hope, terminal cases the person in need receives the best care possible.

    Look, I'm a staunch fiscal conservative, and I hate government waste. But I firmly believe that the government does a better job at providing essential services that Everyone needs. Just like fire services and the military.
    Can you imagine calling 911 and speaking to someone in the Philipines who doesn't understand you, then having to sit on hold for 15 minutes because you asked to speak to someone who speaks English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syndicated View Post
    The way I see it is government and citizens have 2 choices. Socialized medicine, or a large powerful military. No country can afford both in perpetuity
    Canada has the US military to protect them and all our NATO allies, so they don't have to spend on their military, plus with 1/10th our population there's no comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    Right-wing wacko 'muricans are too ignorant and arrogant to entertain the notion that someone somewhere outside of 'murica has a better idea. I think the US is the only industrialized nation left that does not have near universal coverage for it's citizens, whether it's through some government subsidized health insurance program, or a single payer system.

    Switzerland leads the world in technology and economic stability, has the Large Hadron Collider and universal healthcare for it's citizens. I'm not saying that they have a perfect society; they are just an example used for the purpose of contrast.

    The US has stock car racing, iPhones, and a system of privatized profits and socialized losses, in which less than 60% of people have meaningful health coverage. The US government has also bamboozled 'muricans en masse to vehemently oppose the implementation of a system that would benefit the citizens instead of the profiteering health insurance companies who exist only to siphon value out of the system.

    They didn't build that by themselves.

    The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator. It was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) from 1998 to 2008,


    The European Organization for Nuclear Research (French: Organisation européenne pour la recherche nucléaire), known as CERN or Cern (play /ˈsɜrn/; French pronunciation: [sɛʁn]; see History) is an international organization whose purpose is to operate the world's largest particle physics laboratory, in the northwest suburbs of Geneva on the Franco–Swiss border (46°14′3″N 6°3′19″E). Established in 1954, the organization has 20 European member states.

    So Switzerland isn't Nirvana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bb View Post
    Yep. That's what all of this is about.

    http://www.politifact.com/georgia/st...bama-health-c/

    Sixteen thousand new Internal Revenue Service agents will be "empowered to enforce" the new health care legislation
    This is going to put the IRS in the position of moderating personal behavior and consumption. Doubtless with a liberal p/c bias. As if those jerks are not far enough up our colons already, this is just the foundation for much more necessary legislation to address the problems created.

    And the IRS is going to enforce it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlstark View Post
    Canada has the US military to protect them and all our NATO allies, so they don't have to spend on their military, plus with 1/10th our population there's no comparison.

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    Yeah, there is no way you can make a comparison between one country and another that has 10X the people. The smaller one always looks better because everything costs them 10X less.
    Never argue with a fool, onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. —Mark Twain

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    Quote Originally Posted by billg View Post
    Great, in Caledonia WI Area Doctors falling all over themselves to help. Were it not for having to pay for all the freeloaders prices would also be much better. Friends in Canada say theirs
    sucks even with the insane amount they are paying in taxes.
    So how much would be an insane amount for me to pay for my health care (through taxes of course)? I asked what people generally pay for health insurance for a family of four in the U.S. and got somewhere in the $10k range. How much do you think we pay in income tax?
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    So how much would be an insane amount for me to pay for my health care (through taxes of course)? I asked what people generally pay for health insurance for a family of four in the U.S. and got somewhere in the $10k range. How much do you think we pay in income tax?
    My family health and dental insurace here in MA cost $2,150. a month, that's $25,800. a year, I also paid over $30,000. in income, property and excise taxes also.
    Does that sound insane?

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    And printer your smarmy remark to my earlier post left out what I meant that with such a small population as yours with an admirable balanced budget, and a prosperous economy, with a very small defense spending, thanks to us, It's not comparable, sorry if you missed my point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mlstark View Post
    And printer your smarmy remark to my earlier post left out what I meant that with such a small population as yours with an admirable balanced budget, and a prosperous economy, with a very small defense spending, thanks to us, It's not comparable, sorry if you missed my point.

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    And what has your military complex done to help your country? Not really strange that where ever in the world that you have a financial interest your military shows up when there is trouble. You pay a lot for it but it reaps much in return. And have you ever though how much you would be spending if you were parked right next to the USSR rather than having a thousand mile buffer zone called Canada. And how happy would you be with Canada with enough firepower to tell you to go for a walk when you want us to bend your way?

    Our admirable balanced budget (actually we have been in the red for the last four years but not by too much) and prosperous economy (due in part for the ten years we shook up our economy and many, myself included, found themselves out of a job) were due to hard choices made when we were afraid our dollar would become the peso of the north (we were down to $0.65 U.S. and no sight how low or dollar would go). Our military budget took a hit at that time also, every department got cut with no exceptions (good thing it was during a time when the Russians were not a threat, actually very few counties were at that time). But in the last ten years the military has been given a new lease on life, I am sure you are well aware of our time with you in Afghanistan.

    I still miss your point, first we were talking about health care and you say we can not compare the two countries because you guys decide you want to have the biggest military budget in the world? I am feeling a little slow today.
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