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    Obama wants to use the IRS to force ObamaCare on us... read on:

    This came across my Email box... thought it was worth folks knowing... Might want to read it and think carefully BEFORE you vote in Nov:


    It might be the most outrageous abuse of regulatory power yet from the Obama administration – and that is saying a lot.

    The president’s health care law attempted to coerce states into administering its vast new health care entitlement by offering huge subsidies if states would set up “exchanges,” new health care bureaucracies. The Democrats who wrote the law thought every state would be eager to do it – but the American people rose up and demanded states say no. And they did. At least 30 states said no thanks to the exchanges with their huge new taxpayer-funded subsidies and employer taxes.

    Please click here now to urge your U.S. Senators to do everything in their power to support the Johnson Resolution and Stop the IRS Power Grab!

    Now the IRS is attempting to illegitimately rewrite the law to force states that lawfully opted out back in, by allowing subsidies to flow through federal exchanges. And the IRS is claiming companies must pay penalty taxes of thousands of dollars per employee – even if their state lawfully opted out. It’s literally taxation without representation – and it’s happening in secret, without the American people having a voice.

    Fortunately, Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson has introduced Senate Joint Resolution 48 (S.J. Res. 48) to overturn this outrageous IRS power grab and allow states to exercise their lawful power to opt out of Obama’s health care subsidies and employer taxes.

    Please click here now to urge your U.S. Senators to do everything in their power to support the Johnson Resolution and Stop the IRS Power Grab!

    We can force a Senate vote on overturning this outrageous IRS power grab if just 30 senators sign a discharge petition under the Congressional Review Act. And we can pass it on the Senate floor with just 51 votes, because the resolution is protected from filibuster. (That would force Obama to use his veto pen and take full political responsibility if he wants to continue this outrage.)

    This health care law is such a disaster that Obama is relying on his IRS – one of the most hated government agencies– to secretly rewrite it and force states that opted out back in. If we can get 30 senators to sign onto this discharge petition, we can expose what’s happening to the American people and build an even stronger case for repeal.

    Please click here now to urge your U.S. Senators to do everything in their power to support the Johnson Resolution and Stop the IRS Power Grab!


    Please forward this email to anyone you know who may be interested in this issue. We need a groundswell of support to force a vote on this issue. Thank you so much for your help.

    Yours truly,
    Phil Kerpen
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    GA comment: Those of us that keep regular tabs on the govt... myself included, knew this years ago. I read the entire 2000+ page bill before the govt passed it... this was in it.
    The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. If we take our eyes off the govt for just a minute... they will try as HARD AS THEY CAN to pull something... it is the nature of the beast. Best to never trust them... rather keep then under our thumbs.


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    Of course the IRS must enforce it, it is a new tax according to Obama's lawyers. New tax, expansion of the IRS, yadda yadda yadda, we knew this already.

    No doubt it is evil, but we are stuck with it.
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    Well at least you are starting to get it right. The whole problem with the ObamaCare bill was that there is no savings without going to a single payer system. Time to get rid of the huge insurance bureaucracy and down the road the road to savings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Well at least you are starting to get it right. The whole problem with the ObamaCare bill was that there is no savings without going to a single payer system. Time to get rid of the huge insurance bureaucracy and down the road the road to savings.
    And in the process freedom of choice, competition, accountability, and anything other than 'one shoe fits all' medicine goes out the window. REAL improvement there... NOT!
    GA's view: If folks in other countries like their medical system... that is their business. However why are you forcing it on us? Maybe we like our way... ever think it is none of the business of other countries how the USA does thing?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    And in the process freedom of choice, competition, accountability, and anything other than 'one shoe fits all' medicine goes out the window. REAL improvement there... NOT!
    GA's view: If folks in other countries like their medical system... that is their business. However why are you forcing it on us? Maybe we like our way... ever think it is none of the business of other countries how the USA does thing?
    We have freedom of choice, we can go to ant doctor or hospital we want. I see no reason why you can not. The only difference is the government collects the money though the IRS and the money goes to the doctors or hospitals as it does now with the insurance companies but without all the insurance company overhead since the IRS is already there. Hey buddy, not forcing anything on you. You did not sign a treaty with the U.N. where they force you to do it.You are working that way all by yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    And in the process freedom of choice, competition, accountability, and anything other than 'one shoe fits all' medicine goes out the window. REAL improvement there... NOT!
    GA's view: If folks in other countries like their medical system... that is their business. However why are you forcing it on us? Maybe we like our way... ever think it is none of the business of other countries how the USA does thing?
    Right-wing wacko 'muricans are too ignorant and arrogant to entertain the notion that someone somewhere outside of 'murica has a better idea. I think the US is the only industrialized nation left that does not have near universal coverage for it's citizens, whether it's through some government subsidized health insurance program, or a single payer system.

    Switzerland leads the world in technology and economic stability, has the Large Hadron Collider and universal healthcare for it's citizens. I'm not saying that they have a perfect society; they are just an example used for the purpose of contrast.

    The US has stock car racing, iPhones, and a system of privatized profits and socialized losses, in which less than 60% of people have meaningful health coverage. The US government has also bamboozled 'muricans en masse to vehemently oppose the implementation of a system that would benefit the citizens instead of the profiteering health insurance companies who exist only to siphon value out of the system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    Right-wing wacko 'muricans are too ignorant and arrogant to entertain the notion that someone somewhere outside of 'murica has a better idea. I think the US is the only industrialized nation left that does not have near universal coverage for it's citizens, whether it's through some government subsidized health insurance program, or a single payer system.

    Switzerland leads the world in technology and economic stability, has the Large Hadron Collider and universal healthcare for it's citizens. I'm not saying that they have a perfect society; they are just an example used for the purpose of contrast.

    The US has stock car racing, iPhones, and a system of privatized profits and socialized losses, in which less than 60% of people have meaningful health coverage. The US government has also bamboozled 'muricans en masse to vehemently oppose the implementation of a system that would benefit the citizens instead of the profiteering health insurance companies who exist only to siphon value out of the system.

    They didn't build that by themselves.

    The Large Hadron Collider (LHC) is the world's largest and highest-energy particle accelerator. It was built by the European Organization for Nuclear Research (CERN) from 1998 to 2008,


    The European Organization for Nuclear Research (French: Organisation européenne pour la recherche nucléaire), known as CERN or Cern (play /ˈsɜrn/; French pronunciation: [sɛʁn]; see History) is an international organization whose purpose is to operate the world's largest particle physics laboratory, in the northwest suburbs of Geneva on the Franco–Swiss border (46°14′3″N 6°3′19″E). Established in 1954, the organization has 20 European member states.

    So Switzerland isn't Nirvana.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    Right-wing wacko 'muricans are too ignorant and arrogant to entertain the notion that someone somewhere outside of 'murica has a better idea. I think the US is the only industrialized nation left that does not have near universal coverage for it's citizens, whether it's through some government subsidized health insurance program, or a single payer system.
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    You are mistaken about us being arrogant & ignorant. There are a lot of intelligent & unarrogant people in America that truly believe any form of national health care would be disastrous. We've just been brain washed plain & simple. We believe the horror stories about people who can't get treated in Canada, the long waits to see a doctor etc.. We believe what the insurance companies & politicians have been feeding us for years. National health care ia a threat to our personal freedom. Yep, it's scary & we believe it all because we've been conditioned to think like that. We may be brain washed but we stand together & we fight for what we believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech Rob View Post
    Right-wing wacko 'muricans are too ignorant and arrogant to entertain the notion that someone somewhere outside of 'murica has a better idea. I think the US is the only industrialized nation left that does not have near universal coverage for it's citizens, whether it's through some government subsidized health insurance program, or a single payer system.

    Switzerland leads the world in technology and economic stability, has the Large Hadron Collider and universal healthcare for it's citizens. I'm not saying that they have a perfect society; they are just an example used for the purpose of contrast.

    The US has stock car racing, iPhones, and a system of privatized profits and socialized losses, in which less than 60% of people have meaningful health coverage. The US government has also bamboozled 'muricans en masse to vehemently oppose the implementation of a system that would benefit the citizens instead of the profiteering health insurance companies who exist only to siphon value out of the system.

    Rob I've tried to get into thoughtful back and forth debates with you and the other libz on this forum only for you guys to bail when my right wing intelligence starts to rocket past your own.

    Asked for point by point rebuttals from you guys instead of ad hominem attacks on why your ideology is better than mine.

    I've never gotten one thoughtful rebuttal or a response that closely mimicked anything thing of a substantial nature and honest value.


    Your love of Switzerland is based on your assumption that they represent everything thing that is anti-America.

    Here's but a few facts.....

    Insurance in Switzerland is purchased by individuals and individuals must pay the full cost of health care premiums.

    All insurance companies in Switzerland are Private although regulated by the government.

    What the government does is subsidize the insurance so it doesn't not exceed 10% of you yearly income.

    Supplemental insurance is available and up to 40% of Swiss citizens purchase it on top of the base insurance they have.

    The Swiss do NOT have employer health care plans which forces Swiss citizens to purchase policies with high deductibles with out of pocket cost exceeding 30% FOR MOST Swiss Citizens.

    The population in Switzerland is 8 million people.......8 million. I wonder how their health care system would fare when over run by millions of illegal invaders with no papers ??

    Swiss and other European pay an extra tax called a VAT tax on top of every other tax. Right now its 8%.

    Britain's VAT is 20 %. Thats and extra tax added to every thing that's purchased.

    Canada's VAT is 5% and is added to the sales tax. They call it the GST. Our European friends will extol the virtues of low taxes in their economies but fail to add every tax they pay.

    Lets look at what the Germans pay in taxes. The socialist paradise of Germany....

    A typical German citizen if you add income tax, " solidarity surcharge tax", tax on fuel and goods plus their VAT tax can be close to 70%.

    People in France who earn a average wage take home around 50% of their wages and then they pay sales tax AND VAT tax on their purchases and then High taxes on fuel.

    And for what ? Because these people are paying for a baby sitter basically and its not cheap.

    So those in America whop see through the nanny state mentality have chosen to be self sufficient with as little government involvement as possible and that threatens those who depend on the safety net of their government to sleep soundly at night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Six View Post
    Rob I've tried to get into thoughtful back and forth debates with you and the other libz on this forum only for you guys to bail when my right wing intelligence starts to rocket past your own.

    Asked for point by point rebuttals from you guys instead of ad hominem attacks on why your ideology is better than mine.

    I've never gotten one thoughtful rebuttal or a response that closely mimicked anything thing of a substantial nature and honest value.
    You are forgetting me now are you not?



    Canada's VAT is 5% and is added to the sales tax. They call it the GST.
    So when are you guys going to get on the consumption tax bandwagon? Much more fair than taxing different people at different rates, deductions going to some, how complicated is the normal tax form? With a consumption tax you can not complain about the other guy not paying taxes. Well he could get away with not paying it if he never spends the money, but what good does having money that you can not spend?


    Lets look at what the Germans pay in taxes. The socialist paradise of Germany....

    A typical German citizen if you add income tax, " solidarity surcharge tax", tax on fuel and goods plus their VAT tax can be close to 70%.


    Should we take your word on this one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Well at least you are starting to get it right. The whole problem with the ObamaCare bill was that there is no savings without going to a single payer system. Time to get rid of the huge insurance bureaucracy and down the road the road to savings.
    Yes, we will next regulate or nationalize the insurance industry. Health-care first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tool-Slinger View Post
    Yes, we will next regulate or nationalize the insurance industry. Health-care first.
    The first step is always the hardest. Here is another.

    Reportedly, University of Colorado psychiatrist Lynne Fenton was so concerned about potential violence by Holmes, who was both her student and patient, she warned the university’s Behavioral Analysis and Threat Assessment [BETA] unit. Reportedly, the unit didn’t take action or meet after Fenton’s warnings. That failure, according to George Washington University public interest law professor John Banzhaf, “substantially” increases the probability that the university will be sued by victims of the massacre and it could also be forced to settle the law suits, as universities have in other shooting cases.
    http://www.gsnmagazine.com/node/2691...gency_response

    The end result of this will be students that think big brother will be watching them to keep them safe. Institutional monitoring will seem to be the norm and eventually accepted as normal after a generation. You see where this is going right?
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