I was quoted a York coil MC62D3XH1, received ADP CV603C6...did I get screwed?

[msage]

Hello,

I recently had a York system installed, the contract stated the parts to be:

Condenser: ycjf42s41s1 (TXV instead of a Piston Type Regulator: S11TVM4G1)
Coil: MC62D3XH1
Furnace: TMLX080C16MP11

After install I noticed that the coil is an ADP CV603C6. Obviously this has raised some concerns for me. I feel like I should be calling the installer and raising a stink but I would like to get some education on the matter before doing so.

I haven't been able to find much information on the ADP coil, some sources claim them to be an "upgrade" over OEM equipment but other sources suggest it is best to stay with matching equipment. The York coil that I was quoted seems to be a higher end unit so it seems hard to believe that this ADP is better. One thing I've noticed is that the York coil is stated to be a 5 ton, my condenser is a 3.5 ton, would this be an issue?

Also I'm sure that this ADP coil is cheaper than the York so it miffs me to think that I paid more money than was necessary.

Any help or information would be highly appreciated!

[timebuilder]

Being that I concentrate on commercial work, I'm not familiar with that coil brand.

It is possible that they make the coil for York as a subcontractor?

[msage]

Being that I concentrate on commercial work, I'm not familiar with that coil brand.

It is possible that they make the coil for York as a subcontractor?

The information I've been able to find so far suggests that they are separate and independent manufacturers. I could see this being the case if the coil had the same model number as the York and simply had different branding on the casing, but they are completely different models.

I had a similar concern with the furnace when I saw them installing it because it looked much different from the unit on York's website but the model number on the unit was the York model number. The installer told me that the casings are made to fit a number of different manufacturer's furnaces and that is why it looked different, but that the electronics inside were York.

[BaldLoonie]

ADP is no relation to York. That coil is AHRI rated with your outdoor unit. Probably gets a higher SEER than the York coil since it is computer simulated, not actually tested. If you had a contract for a York coil, the dealer should have discussed this with you before subbing. We just say "and matching coil" and sometimes do use ADP. We also sell brands that we can get the 10 year parts warranty with the ADP coil. Not sure if that is the case with York. Some brands require their coil to register an A/C for 10 year parts. But then again, I wonder how many HOs and dealers register the equipment anyway!

[msage]

ADP is no relation to York. That coil is AHRI rated with your outdoor unit. Probably gets a higher SEER than the York coil since it is computer simulated, not actually tested. If you had a contract for a York coil, the dealer should have discussed this with you before subbing. We just say "and matching coil" and sometimes do use ADP. We also sell brands that we can get the 10 year parts warranty with the ADP coil. Not sure if that is the case with York. Some brands require their coil to register an A/C for 10 year parts. But then again, I wonder how many HOs and dealers register the equipment anyway!

So possibly this really is a better unit than the York that was quoted? One of my main concerns is warranty. The contract states 10 year compressor warranty, 10 year parts warranty, and 20 year heat exchanger. I've read in some places that York may not warranty the compressor because the coil is not made by them? If that's the case it would seem that the York coil would be the better way to go?

The contract stated 16.5 SEER with the York coil, could I expect 17 SEER with the ADP?

[msage]

Another concern that I have is that this doesn't appear to be a current model coil. I've found some literature on it with a July 2009 date on it... This was installed just a couple of weeks ago.

http://www.usair-eng.com/residential...Spec-Guide.pdf

[George2]

So possibly this really is a better unit than the York that was quoted? One of my main concerns is warranty. The contract states 10 year compressor warranty, 10 year parts warranty, and 20 year heat exchanger. I've read in some places that York may not warranty the compressor because the coil is not made by them? If that's the case it would seem that the York coil would be the better way to go?

The contract stated 16.5 SEER with the York coil, could I expect 17 SEER with the ADP?

To begin with you were deceived by the contractor. That's never a good start in any relationship,huh?

I have sold ADP coils. To my knowledge, they have helded up well. They used to carry a 10 year warranty.

You're new condenser will still have its warranty. But an extended labor warranty would be void by a mismatched coil.

Was yours a cased or uncased coil? I prefer a insulated cased coil personally.

[BaldLoonie]

Will he still get 10 years on the condenser without a York coil? Some brands let you register just a condenser, many don't.

[msage]

To begin with you were deceived by the contractor. That's never a good start in any relationship,huh?

I have sold ADP coils. To my knowledge, they have helded up well. They used to carry a 10 year warranty.

You're new condenser will still have its warranty. But an extended labor warranty would be void by a mismatched coil.

Was yours a cased or uncased coil? I prefer a insulated cased coil personally.

Definitely not a good start. The contractor is very reputable and has a lot of positive feedback but perhaps some people just aren't as observant (or maybe paranoid) as I am.

There is a case on it, whether it is insulated or not I don't know. The metal does get very cold so possibly it is not insulated? Would the York coil be insulated?
I'm not looking forward to the fight to get the York installed, but the fact that it is in the contract will hopefully give me the leverage that I need.

If I'm offered an amount off of the balance (they have only collected 50% as of now) should I take that or demand that the York be installed? I'm at a loss on how to proceed.

I found some info on the ADP coil and it seems to be an older model which is also concerning. The literature has a July 2009 date on it and the model is not listed on ADP's site of current coils.

http://www.usair-eng.com/residential...Spec-Guide.pdf

[msage]

To begin with you were deceived by the contractor. That's never a good start in any relationship,huh?

I have sold ADP coils. To my knowledge, they have helded up well. They used to carry a 10 year warranty.

You're new condenser will still have its warranty. But an extended labor warranty would be void by a mismatched coil.

Was yours a cased or uncased coil? I prefer a insulated cased coil personally.

Definitely not a good start. The contractor is very reputable and has a lot of positive feedback but perhaps some people just aren't as observant (or maybe paranoid) as I am.

There is a case on it, whether it is insulated or not I don't know. The metal does get very cold so possibly it is not insulated? Would the York coil be insulated?
I'm not looking forward to the fight to get the York installed, but the fact that it is in the contract will hopefully give me the leverage that I need.

If I'm offered an amount off of the balance (they have only collected 50% as of now) should I take that or demand that the York be installed? I'm at a loss on how to proceed.

Attached is a picture of the coil.

Thank you all for your input



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[msage]

To begin with you were deceived by the contractor. That's never a good start in any relationship,huh?

I have sold ADP coils. To my knowledge, they have helded up well. They used to carry a 10 year warranty.

You're new condenser will still have its warranty. But an extended labor warranty would be void by a mismatched coil.

Was yours a cased or uncased coil? I prefer a insulated cased coil personally.

Definitely not a good start. The contractor is very reputable and has a lot of positive feedback but perhaps some people just aren't as observant (or maybe paranoid) as I am.

There is a case on it, whether it is insulated or not I don't know. The metal does get very cold so possibly it is not insulated? Would the York coil be insulated?
I'm not looking forward to the fight to get the York installed, but the fact that it is in the contract will hopefully give me the leverage that I need.

If I'm offered an amount off of the balance (they have only collected 50% as of now) should I take that or demand that the York be installed? I'm at a loss on how to proceed.




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[rglasgow]

The ADP coils are not inferior substitutes. Whether or not it is cheaper would vary. I am not a dealer for YORK so don't know about the specific models. I have an ADP coil in my house for over 10 years. I can only recall replacing one ADP for leaking. That is a much better rate than many OEM coils. Simply discuss with the installer to verify warranty issues. Most manufacturers are requiring you to register equipment for warranties past 5 years; so you would know if it is unaccepttable.

[George2]

Will he still get 10 years on the condenser without a York coil? Some brands let you register just a condenser, many don't.

I don't remember ever having a problem with compressor warranties with a mis-match coil senario. Think of all the condensers we all have installed on existing coils (for one reason or another).

rglasgow brings up a great point that I had forgotten to tell msage......the York condenser has a 5 year warranty (if not registered for the 10 year warranty).

I wonder how often this gets overlooked? It's the same store gift cards. The manufactures hope that the equipment doesn't registered.

[allan38]

The ADP coil is matched to many different manufacturers equipment. It's a good coil. I'd contact the installing company and they can tell you who handles the 10 year warranty.

[beenthere]

Here, if I get teh ADP coil from the York distributor, there is no problem with the 10 year warranty on the compressor.

[Baycienda]

Sorry about my comment, just realized this is AOP. Please delete when found.

[ar_hvac_man]

They sent the installer ADP because your furnace is 21" wide and they dont carry a 21" wide coil with the proper capacity required for your condenser and/or to achieve the SEER rating of 16.5. Your condenser is 14.5 SEER with a standard coil and psc furnace. The oversized coil, txv addition, and x-13 motor in the furnace bump the SEER up to 16.5.

It is a match and it will qualify for the 10yr parts warry. As far as registration, I am not sure. I will know on that end in a few days once I finish a job im on in which they had to substitute an ADP 5-ton coil to fit the 21 inch wide furnace with 5 ton condenser Im installing. I register once im done with a job and will know if york warranty registration will accept the numbers on the ADP.

You can wait or you can post your serial and ill dry run it through registration and see if it accepts it.

[George2]

They sent the installer ADP because your furnace is 21" wide and they dont carry a 21" wide coil with the proper capacity required for your condenser and/or to achieve the SEER rating of 16.5. Your condenser is 14.5 SEER with a standard coil and psc furnace. The oversized coil, txv addition, and x-13 motor in the furnace bump the SEER up to 16.5.

It is a match and it will qualify for the 10yr parts warry. As far as registration, I am not sure. I will know on that end in a few days once I finish a job im on in which they had to substitute an ADP 5-ton coil to fit the 21 inch wide furnace with 5 ton condenser Im installing. I register once im done with a job and will know if york warranty registration will accept the numbers on the ADP.

You can wait or you can post your serial and ill dry run it through registration and see if it accepts it.

I used to sell LuxAire. If I remember correctly, they will ask if it's a system. Just register the condenser as a sold alone item and I believe you'll be okay.
It's a horse of a different color if it's a system sale if a extended labor warranty is exspected.