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    Confused Trane 60 ton chiller - low flow issues

    We have looked at a Trane 60 ton chiller that possibly has multiple problems and we are working with the factory maintenance people who think that the low flow issues are due to the chiller barrel tubing being restricted. Are hands are somewhat tied due to the fact that the maintenance people want to do as much as they can do. We asked a lot of questions and made some suggestions and then didn't hear back. Recently I ran into one of the powers that be and he said that "Trane" told them that they could not clean the chiller barrel.
    Has anyone ever heard of this? Isn't this a standard tube/shell barrel?
    Thanks.
    Last edited by cool_tech_llc; 08-16-2012 at 02:21 AM. Reason: spelling

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    If the water is in the shell ...

    Good luck if it's that trashed

    Just changed an 80 ton barrel last spring that that customer had another company try and clean to no avail...

    Not saying it can't be done ,, depends on what's in there ...that will determine what cleaning agent you will need to use

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    M#? Barrel can be cleaned. Depending on type of barrel can brush tubes or clean chemically. don't recommend offering any advice to them. If they want to do it themselves let them figure it out themselves. If you tell them how and they jack it up guess who will get blamed.

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    A 60 ton chiller with a flooded evaporator? Model number would prove or disprove. I know York doesn't make anything that small with a flooded evaporator. That tonnage range has always been DX in recent history. I would say cleaning the water side of a DX chiller would be a daunting task knowing how they are constructed. cool_tech_llc, were you on the job? Did you see the chiller? You should be able to tell us if it's DX or flooded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnewYork View Post
    A 60 ton chiller with a flooded evaporator? Model number would prove or disprove. I know York doesn't make anything that small with a flooded evaporator. That tonnage range has always been DX in recent history. I would say cleaning the water side of a DX chiller would be a daunting task knowing how they are constructed. cool_tech_llc, were you on the job? Did you see the chiller? You should be able to tell us if it's DX or flooded.
    X2. As far as I can remember, that also applies to Trane.

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    I'm sure water is in the shell

    Again I say good luck with that if it's plugged with trash

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikeacman View Post
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    I'm sure water is in the shell

    Again I say good luck with that if it's plugged with trash
    Or full of mud. Sound familure? Haha

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    Just replaced an evap on a 100 ton rtaa machine. Plant accidentally ran hotwater in the evap and messed up the devision plates, they are plastic. Upon removing the barrel, I noticed how fowled the rig was. The chiller had been running 110% load trying to keep the load, it now runs 75%. Of course now the plant wants to add more equipment to the line... Which equals putting her back against the wall.24/7/365.

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    That's why I said good luck with that ,,,,

    Water treatment people ....there's a whole bunch of people that do that for a living ..

    Its not that hard or expensive for a closed loop

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    If it's a newer chiller, you probably have a plate frame heat exchanger. If it is, good luck cleaning it.

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    FYI - it is shell & tube (liquid in shell, refrig. in tubes) which is probably why they were told that it wasn't easy to clean. Check this link - http://local.alfalaval.com/en-us/key...20-%206.10.pdf

    They claim that the water is treated and routinely tested to meet standards, but the head maintenance guy did take me up to the roof to get a peek at it and I saw (no tools, just experience) that there were other possible problems (refrig. charge issues, semi-dirty coils, etc..). After a recent discussion with them we might be called in to check out the problem further. I'll keep you posted!

    To clarify the situation a little, in the past we have made major repairs to some of their other chillers but they decided (to save $) to train (in house) someone to do PM's and even repairs to these systems. While I understand, it leaves us in a precarious position on calls like this. But hey, they pay us just for consulting which isn't all bad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Mech View Post
    Just replaced an evap on a 100 ton rtaa machine. Plant accidentally ran hotwater in the evap and messed up the devision plates, they are plastic. Upon removing the barrel, I noticed how fowled the rig was. The chiller had been running 110% load trying to keep the load, it now runs 75%. Of course now the plant wants to add more equipment to the line... Which equals putting her back against the wall.24/7/365.
    Give them an inch and they will want 50% more BTU's. Hard to believe that I still have most of my hair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnewYork View Post
    A 60 ton chiller with a flooded evaporator? Model number would prove or disprove. I know York doesn't make anything that small with a flooded evaporator. That tonnage range has always been DX in recent history. I would say cleaning the water side of a DX chiller would be a daunting task knowing how they are constructed. cool_tech_llc, were you on the job? Did you see the chiller? You should be able to tell us if it's DX or flooded.
    Sorry, I missed your post. Yes it's DX. didn't find out until today.

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