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  1. #14
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    Quote Originally Posted by sec5197 View Post
    Yes, the low amount of air that does make it through is coming out hot.
    Quote Originally Posted by MechAcc View Post
    Try Viper Aerosol from Refrigeration Technologies. They list list it as safe for all metals. NSF approved for all food process areas. And the best thing there is no pungent odor like other aerosol sprays from other companies.


    MechAcc gives good advice.

  2. #15
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    Quote Originally Posted by sec5197 View Post
    Thank you so much for your input everybody.

    As far as the cycle times go, I know this is a very amateurish question but how do I tell if the machine is in freeze or harvest mode? I do not know how to tell the cycle times.

    I will continue to blow out the machine using compressed air, a fine brush and a vacuum until I close the restaurant on Monday when I will be able to use a chemical solution to clean. It will be very difficult for me to use a hose due to the location of the ice machine but if it will be needed to properly clean the coils and fins I will find a way to do so. Thanks again for your help.
    Fan will run on freeze cycle with the compressor
    Compressor runs by itself on harvest
    Thats on the older KMs anyway

  3. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tommy knocker View Post
    Cycle time is just that. Time from start of freez to start of harvest is your freeze time. Shut machine off for a couple minuts. Turn it back on and listen when it starts. It will be in harvest for I think 90 sec on start up then go into freeze. You will hear the hot gas bypassing, loud hissing, then it will stop when freez cycle starts. Get your times, freez and harvest, then check the chart for that unit. Also will need ambient and water temp. Also if u use chemical and a hose to wash the cond toss all the ice in it or take it out before u start and store in a freezer the clean and sanitize bin when done. Good luck
    Yeah, I was planning on dumping all the ice prior to the cleaning and sanitizing the entire machine afterward a few times. Don't want to mess around with those chemicals.

    I will get my harvest and freeze times tomorrow and compare them to the chart in my Hoshizaki manual. I am pretty sure my freeze time will be above the estimated time of about 36 minutes (80-85 degree ambient temp/70-75 degree water). Thanks again for all your help and I will keep you guys updated!

  4. #17
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    On Hoshi's monitor the water pressure when it goes into harvest. If it drops below 20 psig it may have harvest problems.
    Aircraft Mechanical Accessories Technician. The Air Force changed the job title to Air Craft Environmental Systems Technician. But I've decided I'll always be a Mech Acc.

  5. #18
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    Ok so I used a degreaser and high powered compressor and spent a few hours cleaning out the condenser and aluminum foils. It didn't come out perfect but since I cannot easily use a hose where the machine is located, this was the best option. The airflow is much better through the coils. I did not take the freeze and harvest times prior to the cleaning but afterward they were 34 minute freeze cycle and 3 minute harvest cycle. It is most definitely working much better. The freeze cycle was right on point, maybe even a minute or 2 shorter. The harvest cycle was about 60 seconds longer than it should have been, is this anything of concern?

    Another question I had is whether or not you guys recommend a water filter being installed on the unit? As far as the taste goes, the ice if fine. I was just wondering if a water filter would extend the life of the machine or not. Thanks again for all your help!!

  6. #19
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    I would say if the cond was that dirty your evap is probably pretty nasty as well which can push your harvest long, doesn't release ice properly if scaled up. Yes install a water filter not so much for taste but for scale and such, ever pure makes a good product. Most ref supply houses can hook you up. For now, if you haven't already, clean the water side. Follow the procedure in the manual. I always take it apart and clean then reassemble and run clean cycle. Don't be fooled looking at it wet. If you haven't cleaned it it's dirty. Should approach every ice machine with that mentality. Good luck.

  7. #20
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    When in a greasy restaurant I use Alka-Brite Plus made by Nu-Calgon. Cuts the grease off ass soon as you apply it. It also does an awesome job foaming out the dirt. Be sure to wash it out the opposite direction of the air flow.
    Also per Hoshi when you time the ice production you want to time a complete cycle from the beginning of one freeze cycle to the beginning of the next.

  8. #21
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    Quote Originally Posted by MechAcc View Post
    On Hoshi's monitor the water pressure when it goes into harvest. If it drops below 20 psig it may have harvest problems.
    Yes! I ran into this last week. The fill cycle helps knock off the ice that hasn't fallen. If you have poor pressure of course you will have a block of ice in within 8 hours. Took me twice of un thawing the evap to catch this one.

  9. #22
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    Sometimes when there is limited access, I will use a pump up garden sprayer to apply the Nu Brite around the fan shroud. Then with the hottest water I can get use the garden sprayer to rinse the condenser coil. Slightly less mess than a garden hose, just a pain to keep filling the sprayer to fully rinse the coil.

    That is after I blow off the loose stuff with nitro.
    Can someone please explain to me -
    Why is there never enough time to do it right the first time, but plenty of time to do it twice?


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