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    Pre-written anti-gun speech in my pocket

    PART 1


    Americans have become so used to the idea of people attacking the Second Amendment that they don't ever realize how ghoulish these anti-gun politicians are. they LOVE IT when there's a massacre. within a couple of days they're working on their agenda.
    (after Columbine, the media focused on a local politician and he reached into his coat pocket and pulled out an anti-gun speech, in hopes of furthering his career)

    any American that entertains the idea of gun control is either committing treason against the country or completely ignorant of our history.
    the Second Amendment says "The right to bear arms shall not be infringed", at that point politicians are done. ...have nothing to say.
    whether a person uses a gun to go hunting , to shoot a horse thief on his property, or to shoot some thug wearing a Federal badge who has come to arrest him, is entirely up to that individual.

    how did everything get screwed up?
    because someone said "wait a minute, i'm an EXPERT in law" or "wait a minute, i'm a constitutional EXPERT" ...and you will hear a big long speech about how the right to bear arms REALLY MEANS you CANT own guns.
    that is not the way the U.S. Constitution was written , James Madison said the Constitution was going to be judged by it's words.
    the PUBLIC decides what the definition is, and the politicians represent the public.
    it WAS NOT created, so someone names himself the leader then tells the public what to do.
    James Madison himself, during his lifetime, started releasing papers from the federal convention because he thought people were twisting it the wrong way.

    the ACLU claims they defend "civil liberties", yet , they don't believe in personal gun ownership, ...they try to stay silent on the subject, why?
    where do our "civil liberties" come from? the answer is the Bill of Rights.
    if the ACLU doesn't fully agree with the Bill of Rights then where do they get their ideas from?
    the answer might surprise you, comrade!

    the founders of our nation never said much about gun rights, wanna know why? because there was no organization that could march around the country and take away people's guns.
    the original creation of America did not include a standing army, and the loss of rights was the exact reason why.
    * originally there was no standing army, but they decided they would need a navy.
    * there was no Federal Reserve
    * there ws no IRS
    * there was no FBI
    * there was no CIA
    * there was no BATF
    * there was no Homeland Security

    who was to take guns?
    this might be a shock to you, but the government had no power to do anything to you.
    the laws were pre-written by citizens, a person who was a suspect in a crime could only be detained by a deputy. only a jury made up of citizens could hand out a punishment, ...not a judge.

    when police forces were created they only gave them clubs and later, .38s, so they didn't over-power the public

    all this crap about "you lied to the IRS" or "you lied to a Federal agent" , "so you're going to jail", is all crap the government pulled out of it's ass, it DOES NOT have the authority to do that.

    a citizen's gun ownership rights are protected by the Constitution , no police force is.
    if anyone is getting gun controlled under the U.S. Constitution, it's the immigrants, Feds, and police.

    there was a possibility a state might go too far. the defense of a state was the militia, AKA every male citizens over the age of 17.
    the state army WAS the citizen. you had the ability to pick up and go to a different state.
    the founders probably had the feeling if you couldn't control the politicians in your own state, you were screwed anyways.


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    PART 2

    the government says "we're telling everyone about your criminal record"
    you say "but i can't work now"
    the government says "that's your problem buddy"

    you say "but i have children to support"
    the government says "that's your problem buddy"

    the government says "you have to go to jail because you didn't pay taxes right"
    you say "but i have children to support"
    the government says "that's your problem buddy"

    you say "i can't afford these bills, i'm going to be homeless"
    the government says "that's your problem buddy"

    you say "my son got messed up on the drugs you guys refuse to take off the streets"
    the government says "that's your problem buddy"

    you say "Hey! my friend isn't getting the treatment he needs from the VA hospital"
    the government says "we'll look into it and let you know"

    the media says "the government killed an innocent man when they kicked in someone's door"
    the government says "whoops"

    the government kills some handicapped kid in his own back yard.
    the government says "whoops"


    NOW , there's a citizen on citizen massacre.
    SUDDENLY, THE GOVERNMENT CARES ABOUT PEOPLE!!!
    "something has to be done!"

    their idea is to ban all guns.
    if all the guns were gone and people were killing each other with pipe from Home Depo, would they ban pipe?
    no. the government would just say , "that sucks"
    why ban guns but not ban pipe.
    because they don't want the public to have self defense, they don't care if people die.
    it's a pure idiotic strategy to blame a murder on the tool.
    and when we listen to foolish gun control ideas, we allow the government to walk away from all the problems they created in this society.

    are guns the big danger to people in our society?
    no they're not.
    cars are far more dangerous, yet they give every moron a driver's license? why? because of socialist policy.
    thanks to the DMV , car insurance, and health insurance, every time there's an accident, someone makes money.

    medical malpractice is the biggest murderer in our society.
    the government has full power to do something about it.
    not interested. why? because there's money to be made and they don't care if people die.


    when it's time to give up the Second Amendment, then when is it time to give up the First? or the Fourth?

    the U.S. Constitution is a compact, if one part is broken, it's all broke

    America comes closer and closer to giving up gun rights because the Socialists use emotional issues to say gun rights are bad.
    the Socialist are the biggest mass murderers in human history, and we're going to give up gun rights for their promise of safety?

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    If the constitution was correct then there would not be a need for any amendment to be made, there fore it is logical that the constitution must be amended during time. So if changing the constitution today is treason, then those you amended the original document must also have committed treason. Does that mean that you who support an amendment are also committing treason.

    If you allow corruption within your political system, then it is the fault of the people.
    It is human nature to take advantage of others failings.

    With any freedom comes responsibility, in a society this responsibility is normally a reasonable level of law. Reasonable is how ever a point of view.

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    You can change the Constitution legally by the Amendment process. What we have here are laws in clear violation of the 2nd Amendment not only being allowed but exceeded with impugnity. This government has in many ways already suspended the Constitution.

    The right to keep and bear arms was for three main reasons:
    1) national defense. Inspite of our massive military, it has always been the threat of an armed populace that has given our enemies pause. That is why they support anyone who tries to diminish the 2nd Amendment.

    2) personal defense. This should be self evident but apparently, not. In some states, the government has ruled you don't have the right to defend yourself. Insane. I don't need a government to give me permission to defend myself or family.

    3) check an over-bearing government. The first two were considered obvious to the writers of the Bill of Rights. The third reason was specifically in place as a concession to the States Rights/ small central government component of the convention as the only way they would accept a central government. They saw it as their last line of defense against tyranny.

    Due to the present state of federal tyranny, this topic has relevance today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    You can change the Constitution legally by the Amendment process. What we have here are laws in clear violation of the 2nd Amendment not only being allowed but exceeded with impugnity. This government has in many ways already suspended the Constitution.

    The right to keep and bear arms was for three main reasons:
    1) national defense. Inspite of our massive military, it has always been the threat of an armed populace that has given our enemies pause. That is why they support anyone who tries to diminish the 2nd Amendment.

    2) personal defense. This should be self evident but apparently, not. In some states, the government has ruled you don't have the right to defend yourself. Insane. I don't need a government to give me permission to defend myself or family.

    3) check an over-bearing government. The first two were considered obvious to the writers of the Bill of Rights. The third reason was specifically in place as a concession to the States Rights/ small central government component of the convention as the only way they would accept a central government. They saw it as their last line of defense against tyranny.

    Due to the present state of federal tyranny, this topic has relevance today.
    Your present tyranny, is this not just a point of view, by those who do not agree with a specific political agenda.

    You as a society as whole have not lost the right, to determine your own political direction.

    Is not the choice of the people to determine the changes to law and/or constitution.

    I am all for gun ownership (tank , Gatling gun what ever), how ever that does not mean that I am for unbridled and unlimited use.

    The gun argument is the same argument for both sides, it is circular.
    Crime has and will always be among us!
    So I need a gun to protect, the crim. needs a gun to commit, i need another gun to protect. a no win argument.

    Is not fact that the gun argument in the USA is cultural, not necessarily a practical argument, even though it is portrayed in the manor.

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    Like I said 1,000 times, if they take our guns, first of all people like me will prob flip out and do bad thing because I have alot of money wrapped up into, besides that only the criminals will have guns then. How stupid does somebody gotta be not to see that>???? Hard working family men like me who wants to protect his kindom ( home) will have that right taken but you think crack head karl wont have one? YEP and he will know you or me wont so it will be alot easier to get robbed,I would like to just talk with anyone face to face who is against firearms in public use, tell them what I said above, I mean 1 guy goes on a shooting spree and we all suffer, ya that sucks, but if a few of the people in there would have been shooting armor or not he would have left guarentee it!!! We have to defend ourselves the cops dont give a ****, fewwwww sorry just venting, this anti gun **** gets me pumped lol

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    there you have it.
    you can allow the gun-ban people to take away ALL your rights because they don't think you have ANY,
    or you can defend your rights for the future which will involve a lot more radical way of thinking then we are used to.

    America is the greatest nation because it was built from the ground up.
    the people are supposed to control everything indirectly.

    when the founders of the nation created the amendment process they knew changes to the Constitution would be near impossible.
    it requires a majority action from the public, and super majority from the Senate and the House, and it can be shot down by the Supreme Court and the President for disagreeing with the Constitution.

    there's probably a 90% chance an amendment change would not happen because the founders favored no laws rather than people passing what ever feels good.

    we are not the country that passes laws because we think it sounds right , we are the country that favors no restriction rather than restriction.

    the Second Amendment says "the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed". the government is done.
    any talk of passing gun laws is treason and support for totalitarian government.
    we don't need any law professors or any constitutional experts to explain it to us.


    these people do not care about innocent people being killed, they are only trying to make an emotional issue to remove rights.

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    as difficult as it is to change an Amendment, the anti-gun criminals would never get their agenda passed, there is far too much support for gun ownership.

    it's the anti-gun legal terrorists who are breaking the law, not the gun owners.

    people in governemnt ignoring our law.
    yep, we have a really big problem on our hands, and ignoring it didn't make it go away, and ignoring it won't make it better in the future.


    step #1 is to stop playing the loser game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wolfstrike View Post
    as difficult as it is to change an Amendment, the anti-gun criminals would never get their agenda passed, there is far too much support for gun ownership.

    it's the anti-gun legal terrorists who are breaking the law, not the gun owners.

    people in governemnt ignoring our law.
    yep, we have a really big problem on our hands, and ignoring it didn't make it go away, and ignoring it won't make it better in the future.


    step #1 is to stop playing the loser game.
    Well, I'm sure 50 years ago, who would have thought we would be where we are today? The Socialist Progressives plan for things well in advance and look for slow meandering change. Change at the core of what and who we are.

    And because we (the non socialist progressives), let ourselves become fat, happy and for the most part unmotivated (or maybe just motivated in other directions), we have let them change things without much of a fight. I sense that is beginning to change, and it may just take 4 more years of Obama to really fuel the fire (hope I'm wrong here and he doesn't get back in) but until we ban together starting at the local and community levels and gain enough momentum to change our state and our federal goverments, they are going to keep winning.

    We have to stop being avoiders of conflict, stand up to these leftists and either put some ballz on our leaders or change them out for some with a pair. Conflict results in change, now I'm not talking armed conflict but I am talking about taking it to these idiots that argue and protest on emotion and without real facts. Taking it to our local leaders, our congressmen and senators and drawing a defined line in the sand, and dare them to cross it.

    Maybe healthcare, taxes, and ridiculous spending has started another awakening in our Country but if they mess with our 2nd Amendment Right, it will become a rising tide with much more emotion attached to our side. Maybe that's just the fight we need at this point in our history.

    They've abused our families, they are attacking our God and our Guns, I guess it is time to fight back.

    And on a positive note, on my vacation in the land of Georgia this past week, it was awesome to see the new GA license plates with "In God We Trust" on them. Way to go GA!

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