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    Here is a question

    1. Who would you think is/was the most liberal personality now/ever?
    Second question:
    2. Who would you think is/was the most conservative personality now/ever?

    Both questions are 2 part, past and present.
    I have a couple of ideas, but I will withhold my opinion for now so as not to influence others immediately.
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    Liberal...present Pelosi (closely followed by Michael Moore), past..that's a tough one...I would say FDR based on his social programs.

    Conservative...present Condelezza Rice or Michelle Malkin...past I'm going with Thomas Jefferson.

    This should get interesting!
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    Most liberal now Obama (communist), past FDR (socialist/Marxist) with LBJ running a close second.

    Most conservative now Pat Buchanan, past James Madison (Father of the Constitution) tied with Ronald Reagan.
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    Thats a loaded question, for in order to answer one first has to define the meaning of liberal and conservative in todays context.

    To me a real conservative is one who follows the constitution of the United States of America, which in todays meaning is more libertairian than conservative.

    Since 1913 both parties, democats/republicans have wander slowly but surely to the left. To claim that there is a left and right today is nothing but a meaningless avatar, for both so called democrats and republicans today believe in increasing goverments role in our lifes, thats makes them both on the left, its just one is a little more left then the other.


    You first have to define the two opposites, before you can know what the middle (conservative/libertairian) realy is.


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    Come on Roy...just throw your answers out there. It's one of those "who do YOU" questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cehs View Post
    1. Who would you think is/was the most liberal personality now/ever?
    Second question:
    2. Who would you think is/was the most conservative personality now/ever?

    Both questions are 2 part, past and present.
    I have a couple of ideas, but I will withhold my opinion for now so as not to influence others immediately.
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    So what's your pick there cehs? Cat got your tongue or like roy, don't care to stick your neck out? Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Thats a loaded question, for in order to answer one first has to define the meaning of liberal and conservative in todays context.

    To me a real conservative is one who follows the constitution of the United States of America, which in todays meaning is more libertairian than conservative.

    Since 1913 both parties, democats/republicans have wander slowly but surely to the left. To claim that there is a left and right today is nothing but a meaningless avatar, for both so called democrats and republicans today believe in increasing goverments role in our lifes, thats makes them both on the left, its just one is a little more left then the other.


    You first have to define the two opposites, before you can know what the middle (conservative/libertairian) realy is.


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    Roy, we don't always see eye to eye but I gotta' give you props on this post. They ALL are waaay to the Left and will never return anywhere close to center, much less the Right. Reagan was just a speed bump.

    Since 1900, I'd say Woody Wilson was probably one of the most liberal/ Progressives out there who used those views with major impact. Lately, there are plenty of contenders so I'll take the lazy man's way out and go with the Wicked Witch of the West Pelosi as a politician with Michelle Obama as a tight second. Michelle is a flaming communist but just hasn't had the impact/ damage of Pelosi. Barry Soetero is just a puppet on strings.

    For conservatives, Reagan would be the obvious choice but there are plenty of other less notable choices, too such as William F Buckley, Barry Goldwater, or Milton Friedman.

    If you want to know who in the recent POTUS race/ current politics is the most conservative, I'd have a tough time choosing between my dream team of Michelle Bachmann and Lt. Col. Allen West.

    If you want to know who is the most conservative person on H-talk, I would venture to claim that title, if it was defined more as Roy said by hypenating it to be conservative- libertarian or perhaps Constitutionalist.

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    I tend to agree with Roy's deff of a conservative... and Hearth amplified it by suggesting this is also libertarian.

    As to defining a liberal... well; that is simple: Someone who thinks the world revolves around them, and they have the right to control others lives to their whims.

    As to the most conservative: definitely Thomas Jefferson. Guy understood the Constitution better than anyone I can think of in US politics.

    Current most conservative... that is difficult... think I will pass.

    Most liberal throughout history... probably FDR.

    Most liberal today: A toss up between Pelosi and BHO.

    What I am encouraged about the most is: Most folks I talk to have wised up to the game in DC... and even locally. They have adopted my phrase: NEVER TRUST A POLITICIAN, NEVER!!!

    Now if this dis-trust became standard thinking... Imagine how less govt would get away with...
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    I would think of Gandhi as a liberal person, conservative I would think Queen Victoria. Sure there were others of note but these two made a big mark in history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hearthman View Post
    Roy, we don't always see eye to eye but I gotta' give you props on this post. They ALL are waaay to the Left and will never return anywhere close to center, much less the Right. Reagan was just a speed bump.

    Since 1900, I'd say Woody Wilson was probably one of the most liberal/ Progressives out there who used those views with major impact. Lately, there are plenty of contenders so I'll take the lazy man's way out and go with the Wicked Witch of the West Pelosi as a politician with Michelle Obama as a tight second. Michelle is a flaming communist but just hasn't had the impact/ damage of Pelosi. Barry Soetero is just a puppet on strings.

    For conservatives, Reagan would be the obvious choice but there are plenty of other less notable choices, too such as William F Buckley, Barry Goldwater, or Milton Friedman.

    If you want to know who in the recent POTUS race/ current politics is the most conservative, I'd have a tough time choosing between my dream team of Michelle Bachmann and Lt. Col. Allen West.

    If you want to know who is the most conservative person on H-talk, I would venture to claim that title, if it was defined more as Roy said by hypenating it to be conservative- libertarian or perhaps Constitutionalist.
    I will agree with you on Woodrow Wilson I almost mentioned him but thought most on here wouldn't understand. He also got us in a strictly European war which we never should have gone and thus ensured WWII because Germany was defeated and blamed for it all and lost land and had to pay an extremely anual heavy price to France and England and thus set the stage for the worse war ever WWII. If we had stayed out the war would have ended in a stale mate and everyone would have gone home.

    Alfold bold of you to consider yourself the most conservative on H-talk. I consider myself an arch conservative and wish we would have kept States Rights and Sovereignty in tack. I don't believe in big government in any form and also a libertarian economically. I would challenge you as to who is the most conservative but lets us say you can't get much more conservative than I am. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    I will agree with you on Woodrow Wilson I almost mentioned him but thought most on here wouldn't understand. He also got us in a strictly European war which we never should have gone and thus ensured WWII because Germany was defeated and blamed for it all and lost land and had to pay an extremely anual heavy price to France and England and thus set the stage for the worse war ever WWII. If we had stayed out the war would have ended in a stale mate and everyone would have gone home.

    Alfold bold of you to consider yourself the most conservative on H-talk. I consider myself an arch conservative and wish we would have kept States Rights and Sovereignty in tack. I don't believe in big government in any form and also a libertarian economically. I would challenge you as to who is the most conservative but lets us say you can't get much more conservative than I am. Thank you, thank you very much
    This is the reason I did not say I was the most conservative here... because I did not want to debate Glenn over it...

    What I do believe is; we have some folks at H-talk who truly understand the founding documents (as they were intended); which is refreshing in this world of spin and deception.

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    Thats a loaded question, for in order to answer one first has to define the meaning of liberal and conservative in todays context.

    To me a real conservative is one who follows the constitution of the United States of America, which in todays meaning is more libertairian than conservative.

    Since 1913 both parties, democats/republicans have wander slowly but surely to the left. To claim that there is a left and right today is nothing but a meaningless avatar, for both so called democrats and republicans today believe in increasing goverments role in our lifes, thats makes them both on the left, its just one is a little more left then the other.
    I agree

    Most free market and constitutionalist now, Ron Paul by far. No current politician fights to uphold the constitution in ALL situations not just those that are politically helpful than him.

    In history: Thomas Jefferson

    Most Liberal (Socialist) now: There are so many BHO, Pelosi, Bloomberg

    In History: FDR where do you think we got all of our socialist programs from?
    Liberalism as it is now is really socialism. So maybe Marx, Lenin, and Mao Zedong should be thrown in because that's the direction the Liberals seem to be taking us.

    Hands down dumbest politician in the history of mankind: Nancy Pelosi
    Dirtiest political scumbags in my lifetime BHO/Holder

    And many republicans are not conservative in my view but more Fascist, not in a pejorative way but in their politics.

    But as Roy says, Liberalism and Conservatism are not used now to mean what they originally meant so it is hard to answer this question without defining what these terms mean. If you look up "Liberalism" in the classical sense, you will probably say it sounds good if you are a Republican. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

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    Quote Originally Posted by dijit View Post
    Liberalism as it is now is really socialism.

    But as Roy says, Liberalism and Conservatism are not used now to mean what they originally meant so it is hard to answer this question without defining what these terms mean. If you look up "Liberalism" in the classical sense, you will probably say it sounds good if you are a Republican. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism
    More so in the USA, outside liberal and socialist are not necessarily the same things.

    And many republicans are not conservative in my view but more Fascist, not in a pejorative way but in their politics.
    Which is a shame, I do not mind true conservatives.
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