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    The difference is night and day! So a Construction Steam/Pipefitter Jm is $15/Hr. higher than Service HVACR Tech Jm?! Not mention the big differences in fringes. A classic example of why HVACR shouldn't be in a Fitters or Combination Local.

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    one thing the Bs have is they are their own person and make all the desicions on a job and or break down,calling their own OT and getting new vans ever 3 yrs....and you know the fitters see that pulling into a job construction site.
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    There are major differences in the programs. The "A" steamfitters package is designed to allow a working man to make a living wage, assuming working only half to three quarters of a year. The "B" package assumes that a guy wil work year round doing service, AND get a company vehicle/gas/tolls etc. In many locals, the B service mechanics work a lot more hours than construction guys. Think back to a time when these packages were negotiated, there was nothing but designed jobs for the pipefitters to install. They followed a blueprint, putting in pipe at a specific job, and then got laid off. The whole calling around looking for work thing was a way to allow freedom of movement of the workforce, AND allows guys ot stay working based upon their reputations. In other words, work hard/stay employed. Dont work hard, go to the hall and sit. A guys get taught this early on, and are accustomed to their reputation keeping them working.

    Service guys typically get hired on and work until said contractor closes shop, they retire, or there is some reason for them to move shops. Itisnt nearly as commonplace for service guys to move around. They gettheir truck, set it up, have their accounts, and do their thing.

    Its really two different jobs.

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    Here in AZ, the Construction Jm working Industrial and the Service Jm working on Applied Systems are $1/Hr. apart On-The-Check and exactly the same fringes.
    I do understand that a 30 year Construction Jm can work for 30 different shops in that time.

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    i talked with james elder and at this time they are not letting anybody transfer from b to a

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    There is no "if you do this you then get an A card".Just an FYI - the A guys have very little respect for B guys.

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    A guys are sitting on each others laps on that BENCH,and you can make that NO Repect,but then again we don't have to kiss ass or carry union banners on labor day
    "when in doubt...jump it out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1qEZHhJubY

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    maxter lost your email

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    I pulled this from the UA website. Anyone care to explain how the 638B (Service) is a Metal Trades Local?!


    "METAL TRADES

    The UA Metal Trades department is largely comprised of 21 combination and 14 straight line Metal Trades local unions whose respective bargaining units consist of 20,000-plus employees throughout the United States and Canada who perform maintenance and production work. *Over the years, the work of the department has grown and now includes workers in the direct employ of federal, state and local governments or employees of private contractors who provide labor for government contracts under the Service Contract Act, or to private industry under negotiated agreements.

    UA Metal Trades workers are found on a wide variety of jobsites all across North America.* They work in*shipyards, Department of Energy facilities, petrochemical plants, fabrication shops, nuclear power facilities, and processing plants associated with industrial facilities, as well as the service sector.* Many of these members work in government installations, from the National Bureau of Standards to the National Institutes of Health to military sites and dockyards with the Navy and Coast Guard.* They also perform utility work for both private and public industries. The work these members do is essential to our health as well as our*national security*and liberty.

    The UA is an affiliate of AFL-CIO National Metal Trades Department, which oversees the activities of 29 metal trades’ councils representing over 100,000 bargaining unit employees."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MechTech2013 View Post
    I pulled this from the UA website. Anyone care to explain how the 638B (Service) is a Metal Trades Local?!


    "METAL TRADES

    The UA Metal Trades department is largely comprised of 21 combination and 14 straight line Metal Trades local unions whose respective bargaining units consist of 20,000-plus employees throughout the United States and Canada who perform maintenance and production work. *Over the years, the work of the department has grown and now includes workers in the direct employ of federal, state and local governments or employees of private contractors who provide labor for government contracts under the Service Contract Act, or to private industry under negotiated agreements.

    UA Metal Trades workers are found on a wide variety of jobsites all across North America.* They work in*shipyards, Department of Energy facilities, petrochemical plants, fabrication shops, nuclear power facilities, and processing plants associated with industrial facilities, as well as the service sector.* Many of these members work in government installations, from the National Bureau of Standards to the National Institutes of Health to military sites and dockyards with the Navy and Coast Guard.* They also perform utility work for both private and public industries. The work these members do is essential to our health as well as our*national security*and liberty.

    The UA is an affiliate of AFL-CIO National Metal Trades Department, which oversees the activities of 29 metal trades’ councils representing over 100,000 bargaining unit employees."
    Over the years, the work of the department has grown and now includes workers in the direct employ of federal, state and local governments or employees of private contractors who provide labor for government contracts under the Service Contract Act, or to private industry under negotiated agreements.

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    How is Mechanical Service for-hire considered Metal Trades then?

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    My 2 cents... I've been in "638-B" for over 30 years current pay scale is $39.25 per hour. "FOR NOW" the medical is still fully paid by employer. I "5" techs who made the transfer from the "B" to "A" in the last 20-25 years. All of them were top installation techs who were sponsored by the companies they were working for. All of them jumped at the chance mainly because the "A" side you can retire at "59-1/2" and "LIFETIME MEDICAL" and then at "62" they collect their "B" pension which along time ago was 10 years to get vested but was lowered to "5" years vesting at least 10-15 years ago. However all 5 of these techs stated their is a HUGE Amount of Politics in the "A" local and due to the costs of their benefits package they all get Laid off between installation jobs no more you can work in service in between installs. "1" of the above mentioned techs wished he stayed in the "B" 2 years after getting his "A" card the company folded and he became a "HALL" fitter going from sprinkler job to sprinkler job and he stated it's very stressful being told you will be laid off soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uncle buck View Post
    My 2 cents... I've been in "638-B" for over 30 years current pay scale is $39.25 per hour. "FOR NOW" the medical is still fully paid by employer. I "5" techs who made the transfer from the "B" to "A" in the last 20-25 years. All of them were top installation techs who were sponsored by the companies they were working for. All of them jumped at the chance mainly because the "A" side you can retire at "59-1/2" and "LIFETIME MEDICAL" and then at "62" they collect their "B" pension which along time ago was 10 years to get vested but was lowered to "5" years vesting at least 10-15 years ago. However all 5 of these techs stated their is a HUGE Amount of Politics in the "A" local and due to the costs of their benefits package they all get Laid off between installation jobs no more you can work in service in between installs. "1" of the above mentioned techs wished he stayed in the "B" 2 years after getting his "A" card the company folded and he became a "HALL" fitter going from sprinkler job to sprinkler job and he stated it's very stressful being told you will be laid off soon.
    How are you guys over $10/Hr less than the Fitters? Is that fair?

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